Deeper inside IE8 Beta 2


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It's increasingly looking like a whole new browser war is forming, as Microsoft is showing evidence of having re-entered the race to add innovative features to the rapidly aging tool.

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Testing a new version of Internet Explorer is almost as important and as detailed as testing a new Windows version, since IE's functionality impacts so many other features of the operating system (not to mention Microsoft Office apps). Microsoft released Beta 2 of Internet Explorer 8 yesterday, and BetaNews is actively testing it now. While we're impressed to find new features, we're uncovering some areas that need work, perhaps for a Beta 3.

One feature which IE6 users asked for during the IE7 beta period, and which finally makes its debut with IE8, is the ability to designate what categories of stored history the browser automatically or manually deletes. This way, when you clear a browser's cache of stored cookies, you don't have to clear stored passwords at the same time.

The new Delete Browsing History options dialog in Internet Explorer 8 Beta 2

You reach this dialog box from the familiar Internet Options menu, where there's now a button in the Browsing History frame marked Delete... (with the ellipsis at the end). Here, you'll find something interesting: Apparently by default, IE8 maintains a list of Web sites that appear to be capable of sharing session data with one another, and that list is especially effective with the new InPrivate browsing feature. But as this list indicates, IE8 doesn't delete that list automatically by default. So although an InPrivate window wipes its URL history on exit, it apparently does not wipe the list of sites that can share data, unless you explicitly tell it to. Just how well that list could be used to forensically extract information about Web sites you've visited, in the absence of other evidence, may be interesting to discover.

One of IE8's new classes of plug-ins is called accelerators. This enables the user to collect functions or processes that may be useful to perform on an active Web page, or a highlighted portion of that page. One very common function is mapping, and IE8 installs the "Map with Live Maps" accelerator which enables you to get a quick overhead picture of the location of any address you happen to find.

The way this works is fairly simple: When you find an address in a Web page, and you wonder where that address is located, first you highlight that address in the page. IE8 will respond by adding a transparent icon over the highlight, which on first glance looks like a cross between an arrow and the AMD logo. Clicking on this icon brings up a context menu where your accelerator commands are located, and you'll find Map with Live Maps here.

An example of a map accelerator in IE8 Beta 2

Perhaps the most useful part of this feature is the ability to see a short map without leaving the page, just by pointing to the accelerator command rather than clicking on it. When you do click on the command, IE8 will bring up a separate map page. Curiously, that page does not appear in the same colored tab group as the page with the address. As you'll recall from our first IE8 Beta 2 story yesterday, the new version is now capable of grouping together tabs of new pages spawned by another page, and mark those tabs with similar colors so you can tell them apart. You might expect accelerator-spawned pages to follow this same behavior; but instead, IE8 launches them into a new tab group with a completely different color.

We also noticed, at least for now, that the parsing ability for addresses is a bit imperfect. "Map with Live Maps" has no trouble bringing up a map for an address whose contents are all bunched together on one line, such as the contact addresses that appear on the bottom of Web pages. But for some addresses that are split with one or more line feed characters, this accelerator has problems, especially if a suite number or apartment number appears on a separate line between the street number and the geographic location.

The map accelerator gets it wrong in IE8 Beta 2

We've also noticed that this accelerator has difficulty parsing nine-digit ZIP codes, which you'd think have become more common by now. When encountering one, the accelerator will often bring up a bubble asking which part of the address has the ZIP code.

Though at first you might think that accelerators work like a context menu item in an application, there's one important missing feature: the context part. Accelerators don't know whether they may apply to the text you've highlighted until you select them yourself.

In other words, you may select a phone number, but while you're searching for the accelerator in the list that dials that number for you on the office phone, you'll still see the entry for mapping it in Live Maps or translating it into English or defining it on Encarta, still appear. These accelerators can't determine whether they may be helpful in advance; so if accelerators do end up being a popular feature with IE8, users could end up in a situation where they progressively become more difficult to maintain.

Microsoft does look like it's trying to address this problem with the addition of a menu command, "More Accelerators." But from there, you'd be surprised to find a list of the exact same default accelerators that IE8 already installed automatically; so if you're looking for something else besides Encarta to define a term or a phrase, you'll have the opportunity to bypass Encarta a second time.

These are the kinds of behaviors you typically find in betas of products, and should not be taken as indication of any kind of conspiracy against the user of the final product. Rather, the job of beta testing is similar to finding the weeds in an area where the gardener may have grown so accustomed to his own plan that he didn't notice them.

Finally, you may be wondering, just how well does IE8 Beta 2 perform in the Web browser standards test?

Not a very good score from IE8 Beta 2 on the Acid 3 test

The answer, for now, is an unparalleled "not too good." The new beta passed the old Acid2 test with flying colors, rendering the happy face completely, even with the proper radio buttons for eyes. But in its standard mode -- which now supposedly adheres to published Web standards rather than IE6 "best practices" -- IE8 Beta 2 scored only as high as a 21% on the Web Standards Project's Acid3 test. Meanwhile in "Compatibility View," which is supposed to render pages like IE7 and IE6, the new beta scored so low that you couldn't even read the text of the score on the rendered page.

Curiously, for reasons we can't yet explain, it is the InPrivate browsing window that scores a 21% on Acid3 in standard view, while the non-private window in the same view only scored 20%. Our IE8 test environment is a Windows XP Professional-based virtual machine running in Virtual PC 2007. In our own comparisons, Firefox 3 version 2.0.2 scored a 71% on the Acid3 in XP Pro, and Internet Explorer 7 (after we tell it that it's okay to run the XML ActiveX control) scores what we believe to be a 5%, if our interpretation of its mangled page is correct.


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74 Responses to Deeper inside IE8 Beta 2

  1. kptbc says:

    MS has disabled the IE8 Beta downloads on the IE 8 website

  2. skapig says:

    A low score on the Acid3 isn't a big deal at this point since none of the browsers do too well on it. Having it pass Acid2 is a big step though whereas before it wasn't even close. This will make things a lot easier on web developers (assuming that MS didn't cheat on the test).

    IE7 was a step forward. Any step beyond IE6 was welcome, however many business environments still haven't taken the step. This is mostly due to concerns over compatibility with critical applications. Compatibility mode in IE8 may finally get some greater adoption going.

  3. dvferret says:

    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=87809432-919C-44C0-AB3E-94C5B0ED03D6&displaylang=en

    64 bit version for Windows Vista. FileForum doesn't currently have this.

  4. DaMiEn™ says:

    Aesthetically pleasing and a bit faster too. Keep it up. :)

  5. swattz101 says:

    FYI there are other 'accelerators' that you can download also. I like Google Maps better than Live Maps (or whatever Microsoft is calling it today) and downloaded the Google Map accelerator which seems to work fine in the context menu.

  6. amroliwala says:

    "Firefox 3 version 2.0.2 scored a 71% on the Acid3 in XP Pro"

    Firefox 3 version 2.0.2?? The latest version is 3.0.1.

  7. Sven123456789 says:

    Whole new browser war, You kidding. IE8 has nothing on Opera or Firefox.

    • Belarathon says:

      Yeah, nothing except SPEED. Of course, if you had actually installed IE8, you might have known that. IE8 spanks Firefox in every regard on my system. Of course, even if IE8 were faster for YOU, none of you boyz would ever admit it.

  8. gawd21 says:

    Why, why, do they even keep trying? It only gets worse and worse. Chuck it and let FF and Opera take over. MS has lost focus.

    • internetworld7 says:

      M$ fanboys like Hollywood_, PC_Troll, and terminalx simply won't let them. Everybody except them and their kind recognize that IE should just die and let Safari 3 and Firefox 3 takeover.

      • gawd21 says:

        OMG, the world must be coming to an end! I agree with you on something. OMG OMG OMG What to do, what to do??????? LMAO I do agree with that comment.

      • dvferret says:

        Yah I dont know how you could possibly think Safari could take over. Right now its a piece of junk.

      • Hollywood__ says:

        Sorry, not a fanboy. I have more money than brains and expensive toys coming out of the woodwork. I buy pretty much everything, then decide for myself whether it's a POS or not.

        Let me give you an example. I have a Pronto 9600, a URC MX-3000, and an RTI T3-V. They are all pricey touchscreen universal remotes. They all sit in their boxes because I decided I wanted a real automation system. I know the weaknesses and strengths of each one and I can give you an objective opinion.

        Same goes for MP3 players. 2 iPods and 2 Sansas. I can tell you the Sansas not only sound better but are easier to navigate. Unfortunately my OEM in-dash only has a direct iPod link. I hate the iPod with a passion.

        You are the exact opposite. You would defend Steve Jobs if he went on a 3 state killing spree. Why? Because you are angry, lonely, and have nothing better to do than cheerlead a niche product that shallow morons buy.

        You already posted you are from California. That alone pre-qualifies you as an idiot loser. I've been to that state many times, eveyone is exactly the same. Strange and shallow.

      • SlapShot says:

        any chance it's cupertino, california heh

      • Hollywood__ says:

        Probably Pamona. All of CA is an armpit except a few cities outside San Diego. Rancho Santa Fe is pretty nice but that's because there are hardly any people around they are nuevo riche upper class.

      • cescam66 says:

        ah que pendejo sos hijo de puta

      • terminalx says:

        Because you base a product on name only you have no clue what you are talking about.

        Stated more times then I care to count, I use ALL products and I will not buy a Apple PC as its just a way to sell OSX for $1000.

        All the components used are standard PC parts made to work with EFI which is the equivalent of what pcs use. (PCs for the most part use BIOS but some do have EFI capability)

        But I do own two ipods and a Itouch nothing groundbreaking and it constantly locks up *no, it just doesn't work* and its well documented on Apple's site that it doesn't. But the ipod syncs with my car seamlessly and MS Sync isn't out for my car yet so I deal with it.

        When and if OSX ever is allowed to work on non - TCM hardware I'll have no problem using it.

  9. matt_hargett says:

    It's worth noting that the Firefox 3.1 nightly build scores 83% on acid3, and konqueror 4.1 scores in the high 70s. This "standards" release of IE8 is just a joke -- they need to rethink their release criteria if they want to be taken seriously, in my opinion.

    • internetworld7 says:

      And the latest nightly builds of Webkit continue to score a perfect 100% and remain the fastest rendering engine of any browser.

      http://s533.photobucket.com/albums/ee335/AppleMacStud/?action=view&current=2008-08-28_1322.png

      (That's my gorgeous Mac by the way!)

      • dvferret says:

        MY GOD THATS UGLY. :P

      • Hollywood__ says:

        All I see is an Apple sheep desktop screenshot, where is your actual computer? Afraid we will all see what a dump you live in?

        Your website shortcut list on Safari is sad, do you ever get laid Mr. "AppleMacStud". Every day you out do yourself in the pathetic category.

        You make us laugh and appreciate the fact we are nothing like you.

      • dvferret says:

        LOL. Nice, true and to the point.

      • internetworld7 says:

        [b]"do you ever get laid Mr. "AppleMacStud".[/b]

        Are you asking a question or making a statement redneck? But this is coming from a guy who claims California is the "armpit" of America yet he goes by the username of the most famous city in California: [b]Hollywood[/b]

        LOL. You've lost all credibility hillbilly. And to answer your question, my idea of getting laid unlike you doesn't involve my sister/cousin - aunt/mother - daughter/wife... I know that's hard to comprehend for a guy who comes from a proud tradition of incest but everybody doesn't believe in "keeping it in the family".

      • terminalx says:

        It all makes sense now, not only do you have no clue about what you are talking about but you are indeed 12.

        Adults do not go on and on about hillbillies and incest unless of course they have first hand knowledge which seems to come up a lot in your posts of "inbreeding" & "rednecks".

        A topic you seem almost as obsessed about as your constant praise about Apple yet knowing nothing about the product you own.

      • internetworld7 says:

        Obviously the shoe fits terminalx... If it didn't you wouldn't have responded to something not directed at you. It's pretty clear I touched a soft spot. :)

      • gawd21 says:

        I really, hate the toolbar on the bottom of the screen. It looked bulky and limited. I just don't like it at all.

  10. rodtrent says:

    Interestingly, Betanews.com shows up as a blank page in a default installation of IE8 Beta 2. You have to use compatibility mode. Does that mean that Betanews.com is not standard?

    http://myitforum.com/cs2/blogs/rtrent/archive/2008/08/28/betanews-com-comes-up-blank-when-using-ie8-beta-2.aspx

    • dvferret says:

      Its cause thier code is full or errors and/or because they are using outdated or nonstandard code.

    • esteil says:

      Actually, it appears to be a bug in IE8. I've deployed a workaround in the stylesheets, so compatibility mode shouldn't be required anymore.

      - Eric

  11. Ryusennin says:

    21% for a browser that is supposedly totally standard-compliant. Right. This is not good. Actually, this is pretty much abysmal. Worse than that even: TERRIFYING.

  12. Hollywood__ says:

    IE8 makes Safari look like a piece of crap.

    p.s. I have Safari on my notebook. It doesn't render tables properly for a bunch of websites. Even Firefox get's it right.

    Safari blows.

  13. stalepie says:

    What gives the Web Standards Project the authority to dictate how browsers should be programmed?

    • andrewdownloader says:

      it's not a simple project, is the World Wide Web Consorium http://www.w3.org/
      So their work since 1994 is to develop Web Standards in order to make everybody code the same way. If you don't code standard web pages most Web browsers will have serious problems understanding your code...it's big deal man !! Microsoft doesn't dictate web standards, even if you want IE to be the only web browser on earth.

  14. GhoS says:

    I tried the beta for a short time and was impressed. Although I barely tried the new features since it was incompatible with my netflix watchnow feature.
    There is no chance of it replacing firefox as of right now but its got some good things going for it.

  15. Belarathon says:

    Ya know, for a bunch of nay-sayers who hate Microsoft, you seem to habitually show up at these MS threads like your an obsessed stalker or something. If you're so pleased with the cult of Foxfire, why do you distress yourselves so by reading about a product you despise? Go watch some Star Trek reruns now, have a glass of warm milk, and relax.

  16. The MAZZTer says:

    "Curiously, for reasons we can't yet explain, it is the InPrivate browsing window that scores a 21% on Acid3 in standard view, while the non-private window in the same view only scored 20%."

    Some of the tests fail if they take too long to complete. So if you refresh the page multiple times your score may differ by 1 ow 2% if a test or two took too long this time.

  17. XNeo``` says:

    Microsoft always works on features rather then SPEED and RELIABILITY! Firefox beats IE anytime!

  18. Registered says:

    not bad, but not sure why MS wants to fight for browser superiority doesn't make sense to me, a person purchases a operating system, it's not as though MS is going to make further profit on there browser, because the browser is given away free of charge any way,

    and people like firefox and safari are doing MS a favour in the long run, at least with a 3rd party browser there is no chance of windows becoming affected by some kind if malware or bad spyware of some kind, because 3rd party browsers do not interface with the operating system on a intricate level, if a browser breaks, no problem, reinstall.

    i've found once internet explorer has been successfully attacked in one form or another, the whole operating system or in part at least gets affected, and there is no way of doing a fresh install of internet explorer because of the level of integration between the host operating system and the browser, fixing internet explorer can be a nightmare, and it's usually easier and in some cases quicker just to reinstall the system from scratch,

    so MS should think of it this way, in the long run 3rd party browsers actually help windows remain more stable, and increase stability across the board.

    i for one like the idea that windows is protected when using a 3rd party isolated program that does not interact with windows on any critical level,

    but i also like the idea that windows basic browser is there in case my 3rd party browser goes bad, so i can download a new browser, after all it's not as though they can just dump there browser completely, not only does desktop itself depend on it, but users need it at the beginning we they can have the freedom of downloading a 3rd part browser.

    i wish i could understand MS strategy at times, after all, they created a operating system for us to use, which gave us the freedom to choose what we would like to do on it, but now there competing with companies that supply us the choice of software we like to use on there operating system, bizarre, and for the life of me i can't help wondering maybe there just bored, and they like challenges, meaning they like going against other companies that supply software for there base operating system for the people to choose from,
    isn't these the very same companies that helped there windows become so versatile in the first place,
    ???

    • shy_one says:

      i wish i could understand MS strategy at times

      Thats easy when it comes to IE since live search is the default search engine and the more people use it the more money Microsoft can make.

      Google knows this as well why do you think they give so much money to firefox and guess who the default search engine is on that.

      • terminalx says:

        Except MS gives you the option to customize it when you first use it.

      • shy_one says:

        True but Microsoft has to or the competition would be screaming monopoly even thou Microsoft isn't the #1 search engine.

    • wadedesk says:

      Microsoft has been upgrading their OS through Microsoft applications since the release of Windows 95. In the early days of Windows 9x, the only way to have a smooth running system was to have IE, Works, Office, Money, Picture-It, Publisher and FrontPage all installed on your computer and use them exclusively. Woe to those who chose to use non-MS applications in the early days.

      Only since the release of Windows XP has their OS been complete enough to run 3rd party applications without the update (integration) help of MS applications. Why do you think corporate America pays all those licensing fees for MS applications?

      Of course the release of SP3 for XP has destabilized my systems to a point that I think I'm back running Win98 at times.

      If Microsoft thinks that having several "Blue Screens of Death" a day will get me to upgrade to Vista, they are sadly mistaken. Microsoft is simply making it easier for me to rationalize buying a new laptop that does not run the Windows platform.

      • terminalx says:

        You should probably avoid posting in the future or until you develop some knowledge...

        If you are getting BSODs it means its hardware related

        A BSOD in Windows XP and above means its a hardware problem not the OS, its what Linux and OSX call a kernal panic.

      • matt2971 says:

        regardless of the merits or not of the above post, it's incorrect to say that all BSOD are hardware related. For instance, perfectly good hardware working with a bad or incompatible driver can cause a BSOD. That's software-related.

      • terminalx says:

        You do realize MS has nothing to do with drivers, right?

        You also probably realize that a driver's purpose is to make the hardware work...

      • matt2971 says:

        MS have to do with some drivers, but not most no. I was responding to:

        "If you are getting BSODs it means its hardware related"

        That implies that all BSODs are caused by faulty hardware, which is wrong. The driver may have nothing to do with MS and is intended to make hardware work, but it's still software, and if it causes a BSOD, then that BSOD is software-related as far as I'm concerned.

        I guess you're referring to the fact that BSODs are hardware-driver related.

      • terminalx says:

        It means there is something wrong with the driver.

        Something in the driver is causing the hardware to "panic"

        or its the hardware itself the stop error messages usually tell you what went wrong.

        So regardless its still a hardware issue its just a matter of whether its the driver telling the hardware what to do or if the hardware itself is faulty.

        The only thing MS does is certify a driver, WHQL - thats it, they have nothing to do with creating it.

    • eclipsingdivinity says:

      Microsoft may be directly competing with Firefox on the browser front, but the reason for the competition is due to the indirect competition with Google. Having Google as your default search provider in Firefox really irks Microsoft. When you have people switching to Firefox there is a chance people are switching to Google as their search provider, which causes Microsoft to lose market share with their Windows Live services.

      Really it's all about Windows Live vs Google.

      Another note: Noone will ever see Microsoft do an adblock feature nor Mozilla directly. Because the Internet would go out of business.

  19. Braeden says:

    I agree. This beta is MUCH better than any other previous betas. I'm very impressed.

    I have to point out an error in the article though...

    In compatibiity mode, IE8 scores a clearly readable 15/100 on the Acid 3 test.

    The text is at the very bottom of the page.

  20. vince_1579 says:

    I cannot install IE8 even with an admin account due to an update which eventually is not necessary because mine is already way updated due to XP SP3. But the installation keeps on asking me to download the update necessary. I am confused. What shall I do? Please do help. Thanks!

    • Storytellerofsci-fiction says:

      This is how you fix it according to Microsoft's official white paper. You must first Uninstall Service pack 3 (Only if you have installed the previous IE 8 beta 1 ,then reinstall Service Pack 3 and load IE 8 Beta 2 otherwise you won't be able to Uninstall it) If you load the new beta over the old one it will lock itself in and you won't be able to revert back to IE 7 without a fresh OS install.
      (If your being offered it through Windows Updates the previous beta was on your system at sometime in the past and a registry key still exist for it) This is why beta 2 is being offered to you.
      If you never added the previous beta to your system you need not concern yourself with the above. What you need to do if you can't update to IE 8 through Windows Update, you need to find and download the stand alone installer for IE 8 (for Windows XP only) as there are two versions of the Browser the link is posted below. I think you'll have better luck with it instead. Sometimes compatibility issues present that Microsoft has identified with lock you out of an update. If you find you still can not update "pull" Service Pack 3 from your system and try it then. If it installs then you can just reinstall it "Service Pack 3 with it's stand alone installer". (Look on Softpedia.com for it) You'll find it.
      Your not really missing much not testing out IE 8, I tried it out for 24 hours and watched it overall "performance degrade" before my eyes.
      It's not really awe inspiring at all as I'm on Vista and the eye candy is seriously missing with it. Here's your link:

      http://www.majorgeeks.com/Internet_Explorer_8_for_XP_d5920.html (Note the installer size is 15.9 Mb) that's the right one.

      Best of luck with the new information. Oh and you shouldn't have to install as an Admin on XP it should just install.

      • vince_1579 says:

        Thanks for the well elaborated and much needed info. I think I'll trust your word for it and opt not to install IE8b2 anymore. I'll just wait then for it's final build.

        More power to you Storytellerofsci-fiction!

  21. ingram091 says:

    Getting closer. Need to see what plugins I can use on it and it may be worthy.

    1 thing they need to do is move the home history page safty tools and that crap up to the wasted space near help on the tool bar. then allow the tabs to progress normally as Firefox does.

    They do that and it will be Hunky dory for me. Without it the tabbed pages just looks way too crowded for my personal taste.

    I got to play with it a bit. but this article was encouraging. first time in a long time I have said that about a MS product.

    • AnthonySPT says:

      I am tab and screen real-estate junkie myself.

      What I find strange about your post is that even with as customizable the Firefox UI is, you get more more screen space with IE, even while leaving the toolbars enabled.

      The hidden Menu of IE is a better design, and the dropdown features of the toolbar are just as accessible when slide all the way to the right taking up one button of space. (Even the new Slice/Links toolbar easily works in this position as well.)

      I like to see my address bar, search bar, and next Tabs with my toolbars slid to the right out of the way.

      I do agree that it might be a smart move for Microsoft IE's team to think more Office 2007 and move the toolbar to the top Window Frame, as this would give users even a bit more space.

      Another fight with Firefox/IE is with Fullscreen, a feature Microsoft created a long time ago, and still does better, especially when dealing with plug-in content. (Important for people that browser from across the room or like a clean screen approach from the old days.)

      I also hate the missing ability to easily zoom from the Firefox UI, that is put in 'unused' space on the IE status bar. (Again something for someone that uses the screen across the room or even when relaxing using a bluetooth mouse that wants can't read 8pt fonts at 10'.

      • ingram091 says:

        lol yea my initial issues in the UI is more my being spoiled with the total UI customization in Firefox 2. I maen I can move around just about everything and chance font scales and all kinds of things so I get it laid out how I like it myself. and when I can't do that its annoying. lol But like I said its all in what your used too.

        So Its not that I blame or expect MS to accommodate that specific issue lol Its more a Wish I saw kinda thing. lol

        After using it it has some issues they need to address, and I'm sure they will, but the overall impression of the UI is pretty good. Its something I can live with, and before too long 3rd parties will start skinning for it to allow for some user customization. Firefox 3 is in the same boat atm. Not much for it yet so its hard for people to give up Ver 2. Same will be true for IE7 users and going to IE8 IMHO.

        Some things they need to update ASAP With IE8 will be Live mail and Sidebar. cause both became really crippled with IE8 beta2. However even they announced they are aware of that issue. So I expect it will be a fast patch to repair the problem, or an update to those effecting programs themselves to deal with the issue.

    • ingram091 says:

      I want to do a small follow up.

      After running I found some major problems in IE 8 beta 2 when running on both on Vista and XP.

      Most noticeably in Vista (forgot to say 64 bit initially) it cripples the MS mail client. Also it seems like it cause some weird effect with some of my widgets for sidebar. not to sure why that may be unless its not backwards compatible with IE 7 and 6 standards yet.

      In XP I am getting random crashes with IE8 beta 2 with my SP3 installation. seems to work fine on a machine still running SP2. But on SP3 It just stops entirely and crashes out. Not blue screen thank goodness, but still irritating. Not sure if its related to something in java or if its the browser itself. I tried many sites and I get it totally random. so Not sure what it is yet.

      I try a page it works fine I try it later it don't. I go to a page that it crashes on and try it later and it works fine again. IDK what it is.

      In XP if you have an IE6 Outlook express still in your system or an office Outlook they work fine. however Live mail does not work in XP once IE8Beta 2 is installed. Hotmail of course works through the webpage as normal however. ( I get my hotmail and Pop3 stuff though outlook express for the most part.)

      Oh and 1 more MAJOR issue... It don't uninstall. your looking at a format reinstall or reimage from a ghost drive in my case, to get back to prior state with IE6 or 7. This is pretty typical of IE however so most of us that test these things are use to and expect to have to do that when its in beta. I expect they will have some kind of override uninstaller in technet before too long if there are complaints about it. Especially if people want to purge the Beta version prior to it going live.

      we will see.

      Another thing I just read and confirmed my Visual studio suite just garbages out if IE8 beta 2 is installed it just will not load up projects or compile pages. Thats not good for MS seeing as thats a major MS web developer package still in use today. so Again, I'm sure there will be a rapid patch for IE8 beta 2 on these affected programs.

  22. diverron says:

    Maxthon, which uses the IE engine, does not display pages at all. I had to uninstally the beta. Clearly I didn't do a full test of the beta, but either Maxthon needs to figure out how to use the new engine (and that of course won't happen until it's no longer a beta) or IE8 has to become more compatible (i.e. more consistently render pages accurately, as noted in the article above).

  23. Storytellerofsci-fiction says:

    What the real issue is with Microsoft, is why they can't seem to "reverse engineer" the competitions present offerings and improve the existing code and how it's implemented adding additional features to enhance the final Browser produced. This is really silly when you think about the financial resources and talent, available to Microsoft. Mozilla and everyone else with the exception of Apple are building their Browser incarnations on a shoe string budget actually (Vs Microsoft) and doing a better job. (sadly) Enough said. Innovate or get out of the way. (EULA's be damned)

    • ingram091 says:

      your reverse engineer comment was cute. Its just a little nod acknowledging the dark past of MS. However that being said. With the Huge Microscope MS has on them anymore I highly doubt much of that is going on in this day and age.

      They are more likely to find something they like and throw massive amounts of money at the developers to get rights to it rather then steal it. IE Aeroglass (Both the glass effect and the 3d tabbing windows), Video Wallpaper, Sidebar, MS defender (AKA GIANT antispyware) ect... There are other notable features that came from buyouts but not that I can roll off the top of my head atm. I'm almost positive the One live care suite is a conglomeration of several (used to be free separately) buyouts redone for that now "subscription" package.

      Its nice to have money. lol

  24. eclipsingdivinity says:

    Still using Firefox until they speed up the rendering engine. IE7 was an 'almost got it' browser. The only thing I did not like was how slow browsing was, and how slow the tabs were. Granted IE loads faster, but the application itself just isn't as efficient.

    If IE8 speeds up, I wouldn't see a reason not to use it.

  25. RumbleGeek says:

    For the first time since IE7 I have not had any browser crashes. I am much happier with IE8 than I have been for a long time.

  26. nasserd says:

    The accelerators are optional; although their files are installed they are not enabled by default. I had unchecked them even before my first IE8 browser session.

    And lets not forget the memory usage on this puppy. Every tab generates its own process; even the first tab has its own spawned process separate from the "core" process -- which seems to do the garbage collection and content sharing (cookies, address bar).

  27. dscconway says:

    I run vista 64 ultimate, downloaded the vista 64 version of ie8. It messes up the gadget sidebar and fonts on my computer. Uninstalling it fixes the problems. ie8 is not ready for vista 64 imo.

    • ingram091 says:

      Its worth mentioning that when I did my testing on Vista it was 64bit. I neglecting to mention that. sorry in my mind Vista only belongs on 64bit machines so I often forget to try Vista on 32bit to see what happens when testing. My bad.

      Anyone out there with 32bit vista want to chime in on IE8 beta2 experiance?

  28. BiroTom says:

    Did anyone test any real apps on IE8? Well I did. I used our CMS admin for test, and whil I was at it, I also tested Firefox 3.1 (Minefield) to see if it is any better. Well, IE8 failed my test. Details in my blog:

    http://blog.sensenet.hu/post/2008/08/Comparing-the-Internet-Exploere-8-and-Firefox-(Minefield)-31.aspx

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