The once and future king: Test build of Opera crushes Chrome on Windows 7


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How's this for a Christmas miracle: We've been saying that if Opera wants to get back in the game -- if it truly wants to earn a place among the Top 5 positions on Europe's forthcoming "Choice Screen" -- then it has to pick up the pace in the performance department. Apparently while we were writing that, the developers at Opera Software were a little ahead of us on that count.

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It's rare that any company should release a product for the public's inspection under the guise of "pre-alpha," but what we expect it to mean for now is, "Don't use this as a browser yet." So we won't: For now, we won't consider the pre-alpha build of Opera 10.5 -- leaked earlier this week, but officially released this morning -- as a browser that is ready to be tested in real-world scenarios. Opera is testing yet another completely new chassis, one which borrows a few ideas from Google Chrome and a few others from its own Opera Mini and Opera Mobile products. And as we discovered for ourselves -- not shockingly -- it's not a complete product, quite capable of bizarre behavior. That's what the "pre-" means, apparently.

However...What's brewing under Opera's new hood is something astonishing: three replacement libraries including a new rendering engine and a new JavaScript engine. One wonders why they're not calling this "Opera 11."

The new front end of Opera, from the version 10.5 'pre-alpha' released December 22, 2009.

The new look of Opera 10.5 (if this is indeed representative of the first test build's appearance) is handsome. The menu bar has completely disappeared, having been absorbed into the "Big-Red-O" button in the upper left corner. Service windows such as Bookmarks, Downloads, and History are accessible from this button. You can bring the menu bar back from here, if you wish; if you do that, the "Big-Red-O" disappears.

Opera 10.5 pre-alpha with the sliding thumbnail tabs opened wider.

Tabs take over the top title bar, and the sliding thumbnail previews introduced in Opera 10 appear here too. You can also adjust the tab/thumbnails bar to appear along the left side, and in 10.5, the glassy background applies here as well for Windows 7. In our tests, playing around with the title/thumbnails area too much, crashes the browser. That's to be expected from this very early build. Opera Software is advising curious testers to use extreme caution: "Do not run in hydroelectric power plants."

The tabs and thumbnails can be slid over the far left side of the Opera 10.5 window, and the menu bar can be made to reappear.

It's a handsome environment for the new browser, and if they get it working and clear up some of the loose ends, it could be a functional one as well. The original left-hand optional sidebar concept appears to be missing in this build, but in its place is a system where the user can create fully customizable toolbars, thus fulfilling the same purpose.

This is the level of customization and functionality that Google Chrome users have been aching for -- the possibility of a lightning fast browser that runs in something other than a plain blue box. If Google doesn't watch out, Opera is going to answer Chrome's users with what they've been asking for all year.

Next: Opera's last-second Christmas present...


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90 Responses to The once and future king: Test build of Opera crushes Chrome on Windows 7

  1. shallot says:

    Have been using it for close to 10 hrs now and its been Wow !!!....so happy that it beats the crap out of the spyware junk Chrome !!!

    • GrailKnight says:

      Do tell what spyware is installed in Chrome?
      I am quite sure if there was the forums would be up in arms.
      I am happy that you like Opera now stop making things up or
      post your spyware facts.

      • GrailKnight says:

        Do tell you have something more then this from say a security site.

        Error reporting & an updater are spyware? lol

      • Razznuts says:

        It's funny to see how fanboi/gal passionately defending a 'free' product meanwhile the company that producing it is the one who actually got the profit. (yes, that's what 'in-built search engine' for, and let alone the so called "anonymous" statistics they gathered)

        Putting that aside, whether you like it or not, whether it matters to you or not, Opera is the fastest browsing in JS rendering as this post is written. Whether it is the 'best browser' is a diferent story

        The new JS & graphic engine is nice, but they introduced significant no. of UI changes (heck, it's PRE-alpha!). And as far as I can see, the only browser supported Windows 7 native Jumplist other than IE.

      • GrailKnight says:

        If a company offers a free piece of software someone is paying for it somewhere.

  2. smist08 says:

    Very impressive. Makes Opera a true contender. Its truly amazing what you can do with Ajax/JavaScript/HTML these days (except on IE).

  3. sturgess says:

    Now is the time for the Opera forum to arrive en masse, and stick a thumbs up to those who mocked us. Opera rocks dude, but no way am I installing a pre-alpha on my new Windows7 machine, on my XP Pro laptop yes indeed I will, and I'll give it a five plus. Gotta love these betanews graphs ain't you , and it's not even Saturday.

  4. mjm01010101 says:

    Wow that's ugly. Look at all the screen real estate lost with blank space on top and bottom...

  5. psycros says:

    The accursed left sidebar is gone...AND its actually quick? Damn, I may have to give Opera another chance once its stable. Did they ever discover the magic of importing bookmarks?

  6. bigsexy022870 says:

    I like it alot. Sure it does crash alot. But once they get it fixed it might be my default browser.

    This is actual BETANEWS worth reading. Thanks Scott

  7. Looey says:

    Can you actually see a difference of several thousands of a second in real life on a computer screen? I don't think the average person will see much difference in the speed of these browsers. I think these browser tests show differences that don't equate to noticibly faster screens. The numbers derived from the browser tests would mean something if you were pumping out a huge billing run with millions of customer bills and repeating with the faster processing speed over and over but one screen full of data isn't much. Sorry, I think the hoopla about Opera is worthless in the real world. IE8 or any of the other browsers chug along as fast as you can click. Thousands of a second difference in performance is negligible.

    • smist08 says:

      You obliviously don't run many internet business applications. A complicated screen in IE can take 30 seconds to load and render. In Chrome/Firefox/Opera/Safari under 10 seconds. Shortening these times is huge.

      • sturgess says:

        smist08 "A complicated screen in IE can take 30 seconds to load and render. In Chrome/Firefox/Opera/Safari under 10 seconds."
        That depends more on your broadband connection than the browser you use.

      • smist08 says:

        Actually I'm finding it depends more on the browser. With tools like the Google Closure Compiler, web sites are becoming much more efficient at sending fewer and smaller files. I find that now its the browser's rendering and JavaScript execution speed that matters. And as all the main web sites use more and more JavaScript, the speed difference is becoming more and more noticeable. I routinely use Chrome, and if I ever have to use IE, it just feels like molasses.

      • sturgess says:

        smist08 IE8 feels slow on my XP machine, but on my Windows 7 machine it's the most enjoyable by far to use. However on my XP machine, Opera is the best of the bunch. Firefox beta, and Chrome beta are also installed but fail to improve on my two defaults. But as posted, I just don't notice any difference in the speed of these browsers.

      • Looey says:

        You obviously don't know what I see. I have seen many business applications that are not poorly written. Please give me the address of the web page that takes 30 seconds to load in IE8 and 10 seconds in Opera.

      • Looey says:

        Where is that web page that loads in 30 seconds using IE8 and 10 seconds in Opera?

    • Paul Skinner says:

      Compare Facebook in both Opera 10.1 and this new build. I'll be surprised if you don't notice a difference.

  8. internetworld7 says:

    Wow this pre-alpha release, though unstable as heck, really rocks. It's blazing fast on my Mac and now is a native cocoa Mac app something I really wished Firefox was instead of clunky XUL.

    I see no reason why Opera 10.50 final release will not be my default browser.

  9. cool_guy says:

    Well, I didn't say "wow" but when I looked at it for the first time, it caught me by surprise while saying a very long "heeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyaaa" :) I like it! I kept staring at it confusingly for a while. I could not believe I was looking at the new Opera. I was totally surprised in a good way. Looks like these guys have done some serious work. I love it!

    Looking forward to new builds and bug fixes. Has anyone tried sliding those tabs? It behaves like Chrome! Very nice! They should work a bit on attaching and detaching tabs. When you detach a tab, although it works, it doesn't quite behave like Chrome. The detached tab covers the whole screen in maximized state. Although not crucial, I hope they are able to fix this.

  10. Daddy_Spank says:

    Have been playing with this browser for a day now and THE SPEEDS ARE SICK!!!!! So smooth, elegant, and CUSTOMIZABLE.... Best christmas present EVER!! YES, there are things that doesnt work yet, but I hope they do soon, it IS a PRE alpha...
    This is fun!

  11. Paul Skinner says:

    What was really nice about this release is that they listened.
    There were a lot of complaints about them wanting to release a 10.2 with only widgets being improved. What a waste of time that would've been. 10.1 was enough of a waste with Opera Unite.
    Another really nice thing is the Cocoa integration on Mac.
    Caching is another thing. Sped up caching so that opening and shutting down the browser won't take a damn age if you've left it open for a long time.
    All in all: hoorah Opera dev team.

    • prs says:

      They always listen. Opera 10.1 was crammed with user-requested stuff. Unite and widgets may not be understandable to random morons, but it's part of a bigger strategy by Opera.

      • Paul Skinner says:

        A bigger strategy of filling it full of useless shit. Yes.
        It still has that *useless* torrent functionality FFS.

      • prs says:

        Who are you to judge what's useful or not?

      • FixXxeR says:

        Who are you to call those of us who do not find widgets or unite (a majority of users) "random morons"?

      • FixXxeR says:

        Add useful to the above, damn 90 second edit time.

      • PC_Tool says:

        I swear the timeout is based on your overall mod rating. Mine swings wildly between 1:45 seconds and 2 seconds. ;)

        The fun bit is that I never l know where it'll end up this time...

      • FixXxeR says:

        Heh, I feel ya toolie :)

      • Paul Skinner says:

        @prs A user. A long time user at that. Can you honestly tell me that the torrent functionality is useful? It's the most badly implemented torrent functionality I've ever seen, and I've tried Limewire's new torrent functionality.
        And unite. Really? If you do like it, fair enough, but you're in a very, very small minority.

      • prs says:

        @Paul Skinner, I can't tell other people what they are supposed to find interesting.

        Unite will be yet another thing narrow-minded people don't get, but which will make Opera craploads of cash (like they are making lots of money from widgets now, with several huge contracts signed already).

      • romath says:

        Yes, @prs, Unite and widgets may help Opera with cash flow, but for the average user they seem specialized attractions, something in the "who needs it?" category. I know that's the way I feel, and I've been using Opera as my primary browser since v6. I do agree, tho, that preferences in browser style and functionality are very individual. Plus, people, being innately conservative, tend to stay with what they know and works, or what other "experts" tell them works, to the point of not even checking out the alternatives.

      • bingo007 says:

        i ll mention an useful thing about opera torrent.i ve used bittorrent and utorrent anf if you are downloading a movie,a new one, it is highly likely(95% likely) that the file you are downloading is fake..if wanna check if the file is real or not,you have to wait for it to download around 60-80% and sometimes even 90% before you can play it..in opera,stop at the 5mb or 10mb mark,play the file.if it plays the file isnt fake..i dont know if azureus or others provide that functionality as i haven't used them..

      • FixXxeR says:

        That has nothing to do with opera's torrent support and more to do with what parts of the file are downloaded in the torrent. Vuze (Azureus) has this functionality. You can play partially downloaded media. utorrent does not because utorrent is not a media player.

      • improvelence says:

        Are you serious? The innovation in that browser is all in your mind. There is no strategy except to piss and moan like that douche Von Tecshner. I mean here is a guy that is actively involved in FORCING M$ to bundle Opera with Windows 7 in Europe. Opera sucks so bad that they have to FORCE it upon a company that is actually successful. Lame.

      • prs says:

        Piss and moan like Mozilla does about Chrome? Like Mozilla does when it always proves to have the most security holes? Like Mozilla's constant blogging and moaning about the EU case?

        Opera isn't forcing Microsoft to do anything. Microsoft proposed the ballot, and the EC approved. Opera has no authority. Google and Mozilla joined the case too, and supported the ballot screen. But I guess it's only bad if Opera does it?

        You are nothing but an ignorant hypocrite.

      • FixXxeR says:

        Once again you resort, as is common on the opera support forums, to attacking people and name calling because people don't find X feature useful in any vague sense of the word. Opera is now asking Microsoft to market the browser for them since they obviously have failed to do so in the 10+ years they have been around. The whole complaint to the EC was about getting opera free advertisement which still has not garnered any market share.

        Now please, come back at me with a name or some insult as I suspect you will.

    • improvelence says:

      Dude, do you work for Opera or something because who says stuff like "Hoora Opera Dev Team", I mean wtf dude.

  12. skapig says:

    It's fantastic to see Opera apply some serious focus on the core again. While the "performance" numbers game gets a little out of hand in the blogosphere, the reality is that Opera has been distracted by developing minimally useful features for a year or so and allowed themselves to be overtaken by Chrome.

    Unite ended up coming across as nothing more than a tech demo. The provided use cases are very few and not well implemented. The API is horrendously unintuitive and thus no community development. Way more hype than substance in the end.

    The thing to remember about the UI layout is that it is pretty much fully customizable. It has been for years and it's quite easy to get everything where you like it. So while a flashy default layout is important for first impressions, it isn't set in stone.

  13. bogas04 says:

    Its really fast for sure , but the UI is not what i liked , i mean i find no room to place my bookmarks , and the personal bar suks! I had to spend like half an hour to make it look like firefox/ie/safari etc... I must admit that the speed is rocking , and trust me viewing youtube videos is really fast in Opera 10.5, hell fast! However , it crashed on me last night and is not working now , i may download it later when it becomes bit stable... and i know it will take a lot of time

  14. sturgess says:

    OK I said I'd give it a try, I'm a fan of Opera from way back. First I installed on my XP Pro. machine, it was all right, nothing special, not the kind of blistering performance that some have been salivating about that's for sure. So I decided to install it on my new Windows7 machine, that would certainly enable it to show what all the fans were blabbering on about, well it didn't. It's a decent browser for a pre-alpha, no better than Firefox, Google, or IE8, so what am I missing ? Perhaps it's the hype, like many I fell for the "this is best browser ever" bit. Well on my two machines it is not the fastest thing on the planet after all. I'm back with the normal Opera again (Just as fast), and the beta Firefox (Faster), and the beta Chrome (About the same), if you have a decent machine, and a fast broadband connection all the rest is propaganda.

    • PC_Tool says:

      "It's a decent browser for a pre-alpha, no better than Firefox, Google, or IE8, so what am I missing ?"

      Well, obviously, the fanboy salivation and devotion. Now go back tot he Opera forums and get some! ;)

      • sturgess says:

        PC_Tool "Well, obviously, the fanboy salivation and devotion. Now go back tot he Opera forums and get some!"
        Some posts were positively sycophantic, bit like over at Opera H/Q when you ask for assistance, always important to start out with "I love Opera" but..., miss out the "I love Opera" bit, and the forum attack pack arrives to close down the thread.

      • prs says:

        That's weird, I don't see anyone saying "I love Opera" when asking for help in the Opera forums, and they all get help.

      • bigsexy022870 says:

        It's interesting, thats the hook. All browers are different and the basic design will lure certain people. Some people like chrome's simple design, others hate it cause its to simple. Opera shows promise yes, and i like the design and speed. For many a browser is a personal choice. It's not always as simple as speed.

  15. Adrian79 says:

    opera please go away already, nobody wants you!

    • Anastasia2007 says:

      That is an ignorant thing to say. Opera is a great browser and is one of my favorites. I've tried Chrome, FF, IE, and Safari and found them to not be as refined as Opera.

      So, why don't you try something before saying something uneducated.

      • GrailKnight says:

        Okay Opera fangirl I have used Opera several times and keep going back to Firefox because unlike Opera Firefox does not freeze up well it decides if it can render a page and then crash half the time well trying to decide if it can render a page.

        Page rendering is sloppy and I am well aware that it is usually a site issue but Opera's strict adherence to standards means I get half assed rendered pages. Freezing & crashing are in the end where Opera fails me though.

        Opera has been around 10+ years and is being left in the duct by startups.
        The fact that the owner of Opera had to whine to the EU about it not being included in Windows is
        an act of desperation IMO because he knows without Opera being included it will be forgotten...again.

      • prs says:

        Opera freezing up? Opera is the only browser on my computer which can handle 100 tabs without freezing up. It has the snappiest UI of all the browsers, by far.

        Opera doesn't adhere strictly to standards. It has a quirks mode for badly coded sites, and supports lots of non-standards stuff like document.all.

        What startups are leaving Opera in the dust? Google is not a startup, nor is Apple, nor is Mozilla. I can't think of anyone else you may be referring to. And as a matter of fact, Opera is the only truly independent browser of the bunch.

        As for whining to the EU, Mozilla and Google joined the whining. And it was Microsoft who proposed the browser ballot, so why are you whining about Opera?

        Opera forgotten? It has doubled its market share in less than 2 years, and now has 45-50 million desktop users and more than 40 million users of Opera Mini. It's the #1 mobile browser with a market share around 30% or so.

      • FixXxeR says:

        Where are your sources to backup these stats? Doubling market share for a browser which had around 2% market share for the last 5 years, source http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp.

        Opera hasn't even doubled its 1.3% market share from 2003. It's sitting at 2.3% now.

        Also note that Chrome, a STARTUP in the browser arena, has over 8% market share.

      • prs says:

        @FixXxeR

        Are you serious? You think the stats for that one single site represents the whole web? LOL.

        Also, I said double USER BASE, not market share. Market share is impossible to measure (see below).

        "Opera hasn't even doubled its 1.3% market share from 2003. It's sitting at 2.3% now."

        Google reported 40 million Chrome users in October or November this year. At the same time Opera reported that they had 45 million desktop users. They know this because Chrome and Opera check for updates automatically.

        How can Chrome have a four times higher market share than Opera with fewer users?

        Never mind. You'll never get it.

      • FixXxeR says:

        Again prs, you fail to post ANY BACKUPS. I posted a single link to prove to you the data is there. You keep coming at me with numbers but nothing to back it up. Show me a site which claims 40 million unique hits by the opera web browser for ANY given period. Chrome has higher market share because there are obviously more people using the browser. Number of downloads does NOT equal the number of USERS. Sure, opera can hit 1 million downloads in a given period, but that does not mean each of those downloads is someone who has stuck with the browser.

        So please, before you post another useless post that states the same thing over and over without any backing, provide some data to backup your point.

      • GrailKnight says:

        I posted how Opera poorly performs for me.
        That is not whining that is posting my results after using Opera and giving it a chance.

        Opera has in 10+ years made it to 2.3%. Fx at 47% in 5 years.
        So you are correct by saying Opera doubled from 1 - 2%. Color me impressed.

        I know Mozilla & Google ended up siding with Opera after it went to the EU again about inclusion on Windows. Opera filed this complaint originally in 2007. Makes sense because now Opera gets to have its rivals as part of the selection. Perhaps in 2 years we can revisit the stats but now is what matters.

        With no ballot screen where was Opera when Firefox blew its doors off and Chrome spanked it? Opera had the same chances to be downloaded and installed as the other two. Why is not Opera going after Apple? Certainly Apple is being just as bad as MS by not including various browsers to choose from.

        Personally I could care less what browser someone uses but you fanboys crack me.
        Fx and IE will no doubt continue to run fine on my multiple computers but not Opera.
        I will try the next version also just to be fair.

        Have a nice day.

      • max1c says:

        wow lmao ur so dumb u clearly have no clue whats so ever i dont even see a need to talk to some 1 as stupid as u, thank you. Is there ignore button ?

      • GrailKnight says:

        The sign of a true Opera fanboy.
        Because Opera failed me and I do not use it then is just has to be my fault.
        Go back to texting your grade school buddies.

      • prs says:

        @GrailKnight

        "Opera has in 10+ years made it to 2.3%. Fx at 47% in 5 years."

        This is wrong. As shown above, your stats are useless. And furthermore, Opera has only been free and without ads for 4 years. It has doubled its user base every two years since it went free of charge. And that's without Google's ad monopoly or Firefox's free ride.

      • GrailKnight says:

        Free or fee it matters not.
        If a product is good users consumers will buy it.
        My stats are fine. You are only grasping at straws because the stats
        say Opera is a dog.

      • Anastasia2007 says:

        Have you tried Opera 10? I think you would be surprised to see just how fast and stable it is.

        Note:
        I run IE 8, Chrome, Firefox, and Opera on a stable Windows 7 x64 computer. I have actually never had a lock-up on Opera. My Opera browser runs my Pandora Music tab and some real large web pages (I have a report grid page that has over 20K lines on it and Opera runs it very fast). Chrome, IE8, and Firefox all choke on that same page. Granted, I shouldn't have a massive page like that! ;)

      • GrailKnight says:

        I have tried every version of Opera and invaribly have issues with rendering.
        IE, Fx, and Chome do quite well.

        As for Fx choking I have seen that one time with a page full of YouTube videos embedded in it.

      • FixXxeR says:

        My thoughts are to each their own. I do not like opera for the sheer fact that I cannot extend it and make it my own browser as I want to. I am limited to what the developers feel I should be able to do with a browser. With chrome, firefox and IE, I am able to extend the browser and change it to my liking. Opera is good if you need a browser where the UI is the most important thing to you, but to me functionality is far more important.

      • AzureSky says:

        when FireFaux lets me tweak and alter the gui as a please then maby I will consider it again....maby.

        when FireFaux is as secure as opera with all the same features an OUT OF THE BOX opera install supports, maby I will consider it again.

        In short, FireFaux becomes LESS SECURE with each extention you add, this is due to the nature of USER MADE extentions, also they can cause stability problems, and are rarely as easy to use as opera's built in features.

        example chatzilla, IT SUCKS, opera's built in IRC client is FAR FAR easier to setup and use, and you can customize it, Mine has a nice snowy theme :)

        you can also customize how opera works with widgets and user.js sctipts, many times i have found the options offered for opera to do what an extention would do in firefaux to be more elegant and functional.

        opera has email,newsgroups, and IRC support OUT OF THE BOX, no need to add crap that makes the install LARGER AND LARGER.

        even the pre-alpha if installed standalone has been ROCK STABLE for me(do not DO NOT upgrade an older version with this yet, it hasnt been flushed out for that yet....hence pre-alpha status)

        I have had release versions of FireFaux and even chrome and safari crash more then alpha builds of opera........and i have chrome and safari on here as well, sorry but they are far from being "Better" over all.....you CANT tweak them the way you can opera without learning to code yourself, where with opera, a few clicks and you can have a totaly custom gui setup :)

      • max1c says:

        okay listen here Firefoxfangirl if ur hand grow from ur ass and u cant even use web browser properly thats your fault dont blame Opera. And yea i tryed all Firefox releases from 2-3.5 and yep firefox is always a lose. Opera epic Win again, nothing new here tbh.

  16. mooseter says:

    in an ironic twist, my first reaction when seeing the screenshot is that the chopped "O" in the upper left reminded me of the UI in the Microsoft Zune HD. as you can see here, it's the artist screen, how it's chopped off on the top:
    http://techielobang.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/zune-hd-marketplace-teaser-rm-eng.jpg

    i should start playing with opera, at least to make sure my website looks right in it....

  17. Straspey says:

    An interesting and different POV from Martin over at gHacks about this:

    "Two Things that Keep Me From Switching to Opera"

    "The recent preview of Opera 10.50 has shown that the Opera development team is dedicated and willing to improve their web browser even if it does not get the attention that it deserves. That speed increase coupled with other interesting features and options like Opera Turbo or Opera Unite make Opera a very attractive web browser which should help increase the browser’s share of the browser market if the word gets out to the mass market.

    There are two things that are keeping me personally from switching to Opera. I would like to outline those two below with the hope that these features get added eventually to the web browser:

    1. Password Manager

    Like every web browser Opera has a build in password manager. What it does not have is support for the excellent Last Pass service that has been ported to many web browsers. Last Pass is a password management service that makes it much easier to create and maintain accounts. Some of its features are a password generator, form profiles, online access to passwords and auto-login to websites.

    Last Pass is currently supporting various web browsers including Firefox and Google Chrome. The only option to use it in Opera is the Last Pass bookmarklet which provides limited functionality as it only provides login or form filling support but not other features like generating passwords.

    The developer’s of Last Pass state that they would love to create a version of their service for the Opera web browser. The nature of the web browser, in particular the missing or limited browser SDK, makes it impossible at this point.

    The build in password managers are no alternative at this point and the bookmarklet is not either. Opera Link provides data syncing but it is limited to Opera only. The benefit of Last Pass is that the stored passwords can be used with any web browser that is supported by Last Pass.

    NoScript like functionality

    The second feature that I do not want to miss anymore is provided by the NoScript Firefox add-on which turns of all scripts on any website by default. That’s a security precaution as scripts are usually used to attack computers.

    Opera has a feature to disable some scripts globally and per website. The problem here is that this would require lots of manual work. The only viable option would be to disable scripts globally and enable them on a per site basis.

    NoScript on the other hand offers a finer handling. Opera’s per site settings enable JavaScript, plugins, Flash or Java for the whole site and all scripts of that type that are executed on the website. NoScript can be used to enable a specific script (e.g. JavaScript) but block all other JavaScripts on a website.

    Conclusion

    I’d really like to switch. I’d might be able to either get used to the bookmarklet (with additional help of tools to generate secure passwords) or switch to Opera’s build in password manager. It would be possible to sync the passwords across all Opera browsers but other web browsers would not be able to use those passwords then.

    NoScript on the other hand is the real culprit. It does not look as if there will be an option in the near future that comes close to the functionality of NoScript.

    I’m currently trading speed and reliability for support of these two extensions."

    http://www.ghacks.net/2009/12/23/two-things-that-keep-me-from-switching-to-opera/

    • prs says:

      Opera already does #2 properly, and isn't there a bookmarklet or User JS for LastPass?

    • Floodland says:

      With Opera you have the Quick preferences available (F12 by default) which allows to disable not only scripts (javascript completely) but also animations, Java, Flash, and even cookies...
      You have better control over the content with Opera, quickly.

  18. DatabaseBen says:

    though the opera ain't over until the fat lady sings

    i still prefer the trim and neat layout of chrome.

  19. Phat Esther says:

    O Flute Camp, O Flute Camp, Flute Camp from Bug Hill.
    Pe rap pap pam.
    O pera pera pap perap peram,
    pera pera pap perap peram,
    pera pera pap pam.
    O rap pap pam.
    Easy freezy wasted time, wasted time, wasted time,
    easy freezy wasted time, wasted wasted time.
    Big Red Ooooo
    OoUuOoUuOoooo
    Eight, Nine, Ten and Half, Ten and Half, Pre-Alpha,
    One, Two, Three, Four, Past-Beta, after half-alpha.
    Happy Holiday for every Opera Troll.
    and
    Big Red Xmas

    yah, not a bad release

  20. HornyToad says:

    Still pretty unstable, but a good build nonetheless, if only for its speed when rendering Javascript, and the new interface, with new tabs "sliding" out from the existing ones and stuff. Still, some one-key keyboard shortcuts have been taken away (namely, the ability to press "Z" to go back and "X" to go forward, or to press "F2" to display the small "Go to new URL" dialogue), and aren't as easily customizable as before. But hey, this isn't even a pre-alpha, so... I'll stick to 10.10 for now, and keep an eye on the Desktop Team webpage, just in case...

    How do you say "Keep up the good work" in Norwegian...?

    • jonspencerbx says:

      @HornyToad, enable 'single key shortcuts' in 'preferences > advanced > shortcuts'. They were never removed, just disabled by default ;)

      • HornyToad says:

        I wish! When you enable them, you still can't go back by pressing Z or go forward by pressing X. At least not consistently, hence my finding it "pretty unstable". The same goes when you press the F2 key and can't open the "Go to URL..." dialogue. These are must-haves in my case, though I understand others will find this pretty benign. What's pretty certain is this new build's speed and rendering: they're both excellent. Now, if "they" could make it a little more stable, I'd adopt it as my default browser right away.

        How do you say "Fingers crossed" in Norwegian...? ;-)

  21. Galway says:

    I hardly think, even looking at your own test data, it crushes chrome. If you said crushes IE8 or opera previous versions it could be valid, but I think this title is misleading to the point of fraud.

  22. romath says:

    Scott Fulton, you're much too hung up on speed numbers. As you noted awhile back re Chrome, where's the functionality? Opera's had it generically from early on, without all those external add-ons that Firefox needs. A faster Opera would be nice, but a fast computer to start with solves most of those issues for the vast majority of users.

  23. improvelence says:

    Every time I read one of these "Opera is now the best" articles, I download it only to be sorely disappointed. I cannot understand how a browser can be out for so long and still feel so wrong. It is not the speed demon it claims, the interface is poor and it still just feels clunky. I know all the Opera Losers are gonna slam me but I really dislike the way this browser feels and performs. Stick to the Wii where you belong. This browser sucks.

    • prs says:

      I'll have to correct you there. Opera is the fastest browser on benchmarks now, in addition to in real-world scenarios. The interface is flexible, powerful and yet simple, and lets you work much faster because of all the time-saving functionality. The UI is much snappier than other browsers, and can handle 100 tabs with ease, while other browsers choke if you open more than 10.

      • FixXxeR says:

        That must account for the sub-3% market share they've been stuck at since...oh...when they launched?

      • morriscox says:

        How so? Opera has 26 tabs open and it's having difficulties. Firefox has 247 tabs open and it's performing much better. I had a similar experience on my old computer. IE is the one that has problems with more than 10 tabs. So my personal opinion is that you're full of it.

  24. keikland says:

    No structure, no system, no documentation - and Opera 10.5 "feels" so wrong. The feeling you seek must clearly be of grail-like import that should be shared with the unknowing. The revelation of Firefox and Chrome must not be kept hidden, and must be exposed in all its glory. Illuminate us!

  25. FTW20142 says:

    Opera is quite good, shame it isn't supported by some websites, it will still work but it won't render and run properly like it would have on firefox and i.e. Still its much better than i.e. in load time, customization, functionality etc.

    • cool_guy says:

      Opera 10.5 gets 100/100 on Acid3. If web sites don't work, it is the web coders' fault, not Opera. Unfortunately most of the web sites are coded like that so they suffer from what I just made up the "Microsoft IE syndrome". I used to do web development and IE seems to be quite tolerant on errors. This is my observation so I could be wrong. Many times my stuff would work on IE but not on Netscape (yes that's when I coded in DHTML and JS) and then I'd try to figure out why it won't work on Netscape. Once I got it fixed on Netscape, I came to the sad realization that it doesn't display properly on Opera and I just ignored the issue as back then Opera was not free and had a very small market share (just like today) so people don't bother fixing their errors since it works with the two major browsers IE and FF. I don't agree with them and they should make sure their code is right. Since this will never happen, Opera should go the IE way, be more tolerant on errors and just try to guess what the web designer meant.

  26. PC_Tool says:

    Wow. "prs" is really earning that paycheck from Opera in this thread.

    Hope they give ya a bonus there, dude. You've taken "fanboy" to a whole new level. Hell, iTard7 could learn a thing or two from ya...

  27. cool_guy says:

    To be clear, although my comments below sound like I am an Opera fan, in fact I am not. My comments are based only on their latest pre-alpha version only and all I do is acknowledge improvements. I had Maxthon/IE as a default browser for years, then I moved to FF and then to Chrome and back to FF since Chrome was and still is lacking certain functionality that I desire.

  28. JanBowins says:

    Thanks for the very nice google chrome browser.

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