Windows 10 is the final nail in the coffin for the Linux desktop


For years now, we Linux fans -- yes, myself included -- have been dreaming of the fabled "Year of the Linux Desktop". What does that mean? To have Linux-based operating systems snag a bigger piece of the desktop pie, if not a majority. While a majority share of the desktop is admittedly absurd, a respectable share was always something I considered a possibility.

For some, this desire stems from a hatred of Microsoft and Windows; that is not my stance, however. No, I love both Linux-based operating systems and Windows; I just want Linux distros to get a bit more respect. A lot of work goes into Ubuntu, Fedora and others and it is sad that they are not used by more people. While the consumer hatred of Windows 8 seemed like an opportunity for Linux to grow, sadly, it did not happen. Even sadder? Windows 10 closes the door entirely. The year of the Linux desktop will never happen. Rest in peace.


So does this mean Linux on the desktop is entirely dead? Hell no! Only the hope of it gaining any meaningful market share. Fedora, Mint, Ubuntu and others will continue to see success, albeit on a very small scale. Windows 10, however, will solidify Microsoft's grasp of the desktop market.

True, Windows 10 is not yet officially released, but even the preview releases show that Microsoft is listening to its customers and addressing the Windows 8 complaints. Basically, Microsoft is giving the people what they want, while improving it beyond their imaginations.

I blame the Linux community for not capitalizing on Windows 8's failure in the court of public opinion. In other words, the enemy was at its weakest point, and the community did nothing. Sadly, the failure to act can be blamed on the fragmentation of the community; too many distros and a lack of leadership.

But wait, Linux distros are free; surely people will want to jump at that price, right? Unfortunately, giving it away has done it no favors over the years, and Windows 10 will be a free upgrade for all users on Windows 7 or above for the first year. When Linux-based operating systems and Windows are both at parity from a price perspective, Microsoft's solution is the better value.

From a market share perspective, Linux owns the mobile space with Android; this is an undeniable fact. However, on the desktop, it will never be anything more than a niche hobby. You know what? That's OK. If you love using a Linux distro, more power to you. However, it is time to accept that you are forever on the fringe -- you can thank Windows 10 for your shattered dreams.

Yes, the final version of Windows 10 could be that good.

[UPDATE] Linux is now being haunted by a GHOST. Read more here.

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607 Responses to Windows 10 is the final nail in the coffin for the Linux desktop

  1. polihron alexandru says:

    say what? =)))) u are a windows boy......

  2. Tomas Ahern says:

    I agree with you Linux has been missing the chance to capitalize on Microsoft continued mistakes but I don't agree with your premise that windows 10 will kill Linux. Linux had a huge chance when Microsoft again screwed things up with Windows Vista.. No one liked vista, except the koolaid drinkers, and that was when Linux should have pounced. Sadly they blew it and again Microsoft figured it out and came out with Windows 7.. Linux was given another chance with Windows 8.. Originally Microsoft totally said screw you to their beta and developer communities totally ignoring what they pointed out was wrong with windows 8. Linux could have pounced then and really made huge inroads but Linux has always been and will always be a minor bit player. Arguing among its users over 'which' Linux distro is the best. Instead they should have joined forces and taken on Microsoft but they didn't.

  3. Corelogik says:

    If Microsoft goes subscription as rumored,... more like the nail in the Windows desktop coffin,... we'll see.

  4. Gesa Nan says:

    So this post is lacking connected thoughts, but since you feel the need to spam this all over Google+ I will reply. No, Windows 10 will not be the nail in the Linux desktop's coffin. You liking Windows 10, does not signal the end. You do not list any features to support your claim, only that "Microsoft is giving the people what they want" - again, this sounds more like you enjoy features that will be present in Windows 10, and nothing more. Looking at your list of articles, you bleed Steve Ballmer's blood, and that's okay, you can do that, but don't let your rabid fanboism speak for the world as a whole.

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  5. nina graci says:

    So this post is lacking connected thoughts,

  6. kmb42vt says:

    I have to laugh every time I read/hear the phrase, "Final nail in the coffin for the Linux desktop" or variation thereof.

    The final nail?

    Hell, there hasn't been a first nail yet. There isn't even a coffin to nail anything into.

    When you really think about it, I mean really think about it, that phrase is absolutely ludicrous.

    • ray says:

      You can't ignore free, secure and works out of the box. I have yet to buy a printer that I needed a cd to install it. Did everyone know that Apple was built off of BSD linux? Viva unix

      • satrain18 says:

        BSD and Linux are two different OSs.

      • ray says:

        Indeed but they all have their base in unix where MS is based on DOS. My only point was origin of the Apple platform which is touted as "just works"..

      • Peter J says:

        No no no Windows is not based on DOS at all...There hasn't been a Windows/DOS since ME... DOS is fully and completely extirpated from Windows for 15 years. Even in the days of 95/98/ME you could buy Windows NT which didnt contain DOS. Everything since Windows 2000 has been DOS free and strictly based on the NT kernel. Closest thing you get to DOS nowadays is a VDM on 32bit systems.

      • ray says:

        fair enough. you can tell i've been away from the blue screen for some time. What is it's programming base then?

  7. RejZoR says:

    Wait a second! isn't 2015 the year Linux dominates everything? Oh wait, that has been said for every single year in the past. LOLZ Linux is not going anywhere and it'll just simply remain in the minortity of the enthusiasts. It's how it is and I don't think it'll ever change. And I don't see anything wrong with it. You always have the option to use it free of charge, but so you are also free to use Windows. For a fee of course :: But seeing how gaming is slowly shifting to Linux as well, for at least partial support, that's great as well.

  8. Theodore Ts'o says:

    The Linux Desktop is alive and well. It just happens to be called "Chrome OS". :-)

    • Francisco Gómez García says:

      That's not (GNU)Linux. That's... a Linux kernel running Chrome.

      • tturrisi says:

        Chrome is a GNU system. EVERY Linux distribution is a Linux kernel running some GNU libraries and other stuff. Linux is ONLY a kernel, it is NOT an operating system. Do some reading and find out for yourself exactly what Linux is:

      • Don Zeigler says:

        Linux has always been just the kernel, dummy.

      • Francisco Gómez García says:

        (GNU)Linux is my own term to differentiate between Linux systems. Essentially, a (GNU)Linux distribution is an operating system which runs the Linux kernel, has GNU C, has other GNU software such as Coreutils or GTK+, and may follow the principles of free software.

        Chrome OS has, maybe, Bash. Not too much else. It runs its own runtimes and window manager. And surely open source, but not GNU-like. So it's anything but (GNU)Linux, just like Android.

      • Don Zeigler says:

        Your smokescreen fails you. ChromeOS is just as "Linux" as "GNU/Linux". ChromeOS, in fact, is based on Gentoo, which is "GNU/Linux" by your own definition. ;)

      • Francisco Gómez García says:

        I perfectly know Chrome OS is some kind of monster-ish Gentoo-based system. But getting something that is a (GNU)Linux distro and making it nothing alike (for both users and developers) won't give you another (GNU)Linux distro.

      • Theodore Ts'o says:

        The quote has never been "this will be year of the (GNU)Linux Desktop", or "This will be the year of the Systemd/Gnome Desktop". It was always "This will be the year of the Linux Desktop".

        ChromeOS is a desktop running under the Linux kernel; ergo, it is a "Linux Desktop."

      • Francisco Gómez García says:

        LOL. I never said "the year of the Linux desktop" as such. Who cares if Chrome OS gets popular. Or if Android - oh wait, please not that!

        That's the point. I don't care at all if Chrome OS gets popular. While nice in many points, it's (at least to me) not the best choice, and not one that represents what's usually called "Linux".

      • LamiaLove says:

        OMG! Quickly, let Stallman know of his heresy!

  9. KonradK says:

    Windows 10 will be either coffin nail of Windows 7, or coffin nail of Microsoft.
    It even does not appeal to me, a devoted Windows user (still postponing downgrade from 8 to 7). I hate an attempts to marry me with Windows Store, flat UI, and stripping out the traditional desktop from features that it had in previous versions.
    I cannot imagine how it would have impact on those who prefer something such different like Linux desktop. Where is the temptation?

  10. Hall9000 says:

    Yes, the final version of Windows 10 could be that good.
    Here's the deal. This time windows 10 will be "relatively free" It will be very interesting to see how many people decide to move to it and how many will simply turn their back on it even if it's "relatively free." The only reason Windows is alive is because of the death grip it has in the business sector. But then again, if you go across the pond you will find countries where their government sector actually sent windows in the garbage can and are doing very well thank you very much with Linux.

  11. Aida Surugan says:

    I don't need *nix to rule , linux does what i want .
    im excited for unity8 on ubuntu and ubuntu for IOT whatever windows does with its life ,i say meh .

  12. oic says:

    Linux had their chance after Windows 8 was released but they failed. I actually tried out out several Linux distro after I got frustrated with Windows 8. Personally I don't think many distro is the problem. Its good having lots of different distro, its just not none of them were better than Windows 7

    • Don Zeigler says:

      Apparently you haven't really looked at any desktop distros lately. Netrunner, for example, is about as slick a desktop experience you will find anywhere. If you say installing software under a modern Linux distro is hard, you DEFINITELY haven't really looked at any recently.

  13. ray says:

    I've been using Linux since Dapper Drake and no way would I go back to that intrusive, virus laden, malware diseased mess. Need permission for everything. It may not be everyday desktop for some but I am sticking to linux (mint). I've converted many people away from MS and they thank me often. Crazy

  14. Shawn PJD says:

    The ONLY reason Linux isn't used by the masses is because of gaming, plain and simple. Ya ya ya, they have steam games now, big fucking deal. Until I can play all games for windows natively on my linux box, it'll continue to collect dust. I suggest noone holds their breath for that day to come either.

    • amateur analyst says:

      I have a couple gamers in the family, and my silent wish and advice to them, is "get a life". They really don't have a good grasp on reality. Now I don't know which came first--the chicken or the egg.

  15. sgrandin says:

    Oh yes, another round of "xxx is dead" from a betanews writer. Wonder how long it will take before the articles start about how this one was wrong, just like all the others.

  16. Don Bob says:

    I think Microsoft is getting into a smart place by shifting to a subscription model, much like Office 2013. This approach should reduce or eliminate piracy, not to mention a consumer base that pays once a decade for their Operating System. However, I think many people and companies will not like paying yearly to Microsoft, and that is the weakness of Windows 10. If someone can't pay their subscription, Microsoft turns off their OS (Operating System), and they have no money to comply, at that point Linux will be a robust alternative.

    • toddh says:

      I don't think this is what Microsoft is doing. I suspect it may end up looking more like ChromeOS, where devices are supported for a certain length of time, but the OS is never "turned off." Also, MSFT never mentioned subscriptions.

    • MadDoggyca says:

      WINDOWS WILL NOT BE SUB BASED.. THATS INC WIN 10.. that would be a massive shot in the foot.. and u get have a piracy issues if your giving it away for free.... and yes even after the first year... YOU KEEP WIN10 if you claim your free copy before then.... no subs or having to pay for it after the 1 year on that device.

  17. BoltmanLives says:

    Windows 10 will decrease Linux and Apple shares and that is all there is to that. How low can they go?

  18. Ruel Smith says:

    There simply is no one with a cohesive strategy and deep enough pockets attempting to gain marketshare. Ubuntu is happy cannibalizing server share and going down their own path, and Red Hat just doesn't see enough profits to warrant spending the money. I don't see any other single player with enough resources and none of them can get a workable strategy together to crank that nut.

  19. Info Dave says:

    As the founding member of the Anything But Microsoft (ABM) fan club, I'll admit I'm biased. According to Net Applications, Linux has gained market share in the last year or so. Still lagging behind OS X, and the two combined don't amount to much, but both continue to gain market share.

    Meanwhile, Microsoft users have fractured into smaller groups. XP once own 80%+ of the market. Now, Microsoft has left a fractured trail of dominance. Windows 7 actually gained market share after the release of Windows 8. That's unheard of with any other OS, desktop or mobile. Microsoft needs to get everybody to move to Windows 10 if they hope to reclaim dominance.

    • kmb42vt says:

      True enough except that in all reality, there's no way to actually determine market share of "Linux" (if "Linux" is defined as a Linux based desktop operating system). True market share is primarily measured by sales of licenses. With the exception of Redhat Linux "Enterprise" the majority of Linux distributions are free of charge, no purchase of license necessary.

      In short, if the OS isn't sold to consumers/businesses you can't measure it's market share.

      • SmokingMan says:

        Market share is actually measured usually checking the OS being used when somebody visits some webs, for example. So even if it's free you have to use it, right? Still there are a lot of people in the world without connection, but still most of those people prefer to install pirate Windows versions.

      • Info Dave says:

        Net Applications measures market share by monitoring web traffic, not license sales. They're far from perfect, but over a period of time it is possible to identify trends.

  20. microlith says:

    Troll much?

  21. tturrisi says:

    Well, this as another one of Brian's goofy articles. But I will give him this, he sure knows how to invoke controversy and get readers to comment! Linux has never had a shot at surpassing Windows market share (or coming close) & it never will so long as MS continues to produce versions of Windows and Office. Bottom line is they are both well developed products that people like to use and MS partners sure dig the profits generated as a result. Govts, businesses and consumers are locked into Windows by years of successful use. The 80-20 rule applies here. 80% of comp users will never make the effort to learn Linux. About 20% may try to do so and a small percentage will stick with it. I use Windows 8 on a desktop, Debian on my 2 home servers and Openelec on my HTPC. For most all computing, I use Debian on my laptop but rarely boot to Windows,

    Linux DOMINATES to WWW server market.

    • ray says:

      Linux also has been migrating to government entities especially in Europe. Linux desktops are beginning to rule there.

    • Don Zeigler says:

      A quick peek at Fagioli's bio - he felt the need to add a line denying he was a fanboy. People who have to deny being fanboys usually are one. ;-)

  22. Nizho Grafx says:

    Slow and steady wins the race. The race that Windows has been running against itself since Vista no wait windows 8 or 8.1 no wait im sorry windows 7 that windows 8 is now going to be, that its moving to 10 because 9 wasn't good enough. So yeah Windows 10 will look like windows 7 with some features of 8 and no windows 9. So yeah take that LINUX.

    So all you Linux lovers who don't think that its good to have that pop up for a free virus check that you can't uninstall, or that awesome add bar in your internet explorer for free deals and search engines, isn't good enough, Your missing out!

    How about those long great Defrags and driver upgrades. Those linux guys think they have it so great nothing beats out those restarts only to find out that you have 4 out of 46 upgrades please don't shutdown or unplug your computer warnings.

    Linux knows nothing of the great wonders of serial number hassles. It's absolutely awesome to call tech support only to dial in the big serial number. Only to repeat them to the tech you barely understand.

    I love paying for upgrades only to find out that my main software has to be upgraded.

    Linux, ubuntu and all of you distros and different desktop looks. thats nothing new to us we have xp, vista, 7, 8, 8.1, and now 10.

    Yeah we got all the games on our machines that we have on our xboxes. yeah we will pay for a desktop and two game consoles to show you that we have it better than you!

    So go on and have your pathetic, free software, free upgrades, choice of desktops, no virus, no spyware no, defrag, no slow updates, no crashes and most of all no Windows Explorer life and leave the computers to the big boys! because we like virus warnings, blue screens and dll hell!

    • Christopher Gregory Wortman says:

      too bad windows 10 is a free upgrade ;)

    • ray says:

      Well said. Some just can't perceive real computing freedom. I do miss the challenge of trying to remove all the spider webs from A Norton install.

    • blazewon22 says:

      I use Mac, Windows 8.1, ChromeOS and Ubuntu. Windows is about as stable as the rest. Its come a long way in terms of performance, load times and reliability. Compared to Ubuntu, plug and play devices like video, audio, mouse work well, Office is still the king of the hill, OneDrive is doing way better than Ubuntu One did and I can actually pay for ad free Outlook mail! I never have to question whether a website will work because all of the major plugins are supported (java, flash, silver light, widevine).

      Restoring the desktop and browser have become almost automatic. With SSD defrag is not an issue.

      Stop the FUD and just like what you like. The market has spoken and Linux desktops aren't taking off.

      • orionds says:

        Doesn't have to take off. The Linux desktop is alive and well and doing fine for me and other users.

    • waloody88 says:

      why so serious!? #joke voice

    • orionds says:

      To each his own. No one's telling you not to use Windows. You have every right to use and love Windows.

      We love Linux and we use it.

  23. MadDoggyca says:

    geeee linux was dead in the 70s, 80s.. its still dead to this date... also googles not helping much with andriod ether.. they kill more device that run android then any other company... With ever new major update millions of device get left behind...

    googles way of linux is.. Get linux and must buy a new device with ever Majory version update

    As a win10 users MS really needs to work out that startmenu.. The missing right click context menu is a super failure right now... if they don't start adding the required startmenu features its going to be another win8.x mess were people will look for 3rd party menus again

    Other then that little mess everthing in win10 is looking to be super success... One of the biggest features is Windows + Tab for Virtual desktops and despite linux having this feature for like ever, Windows 10 already dose it way better then any Nix distro to date...

    • ray says:

      Wow, I'm sorry but your post would indicate to me that you have not had any hands on Linux experience.

      • MadDoggyca says:

        I use *nix system more times they I care to admit inc baby sitting server.. Its not by far means a pleasant experiences

      • ray says:

        That's too bad. After being a devout MS user I finally gave up and permanently switched to Linux distros. Sorry you did not have a similar experience. I help people with their MS machines but will never go back. Just my opinion

      • MadDoggyca says:

        Im opposite.. I started out on *nix system back in the days. Then was between shelling it out dos, finally windows 95 cam out. leaving *nix behind and the time xp sp2 came out never looked back at wanting to use *nix as a main pc ever again..

        That was up until OSX 10.4.x came out and finally say that some one was making some very good use of *nix . though I question there direction there taking now... less desktop and more dumped down to match mobile...

        Atlest MS has suicide there desktop and win32 apps yet

        Playing with win10 its more Desktop Friendly then Mobile friendly and that's a huge sigh of relief.

      • ray says:

        Indeed, back in those days Linux was nerdy and somewhat simple compared to windows. Not so these days. Simple install, intuitive, PNP. good office suites to choose from. You should try it again.

      • Don Zeigler says:

        Then you're just a lousy admin.

    • Don Zeigler says:

      Hey, stupid, there was no Linux in the 70s and 80s. Troll elsewhere.

      • MadDoggyca says:

        here let me give u a history of linux and unix.. and yes unix as a lot to due with linux if you like it or not.

        The Unix operating system was conceived and implemented in 1969 at AT&T's Bell Laboratories, It was first released in 1971, initially

        The GNU Project, started in 1983 by Richard Stallman, had the goal of creating a "complete Unix-compatible software system" composed entirely of free software. Work began in 1984.[24]

        MINIX, initially released in 1987, is an inexpensive minimal Unix-like operating system, designed for education in computer science

        In 1991, while attending the University of Helsinki, Torvalds became curious about operating systems[28] and frustrated by the licensing of MINIX, which limited it to educational use only. He began to work on his own operating system kernel, which eventually became the Linux kernel.

        Although not released until 1992 due to legal complications, development of 386BSD, from which NetBSD, OpenBSD and FreeBSD descended, predated that of Linux. Linus Torvalds has said that if 386BSD had been available at the time, he probably would not have created Linux.[27]


        point is unix, > Minix > linux and thats how it all begun

        And as stated above linux wouldn't be here if *.*bsd system didn't come out sooner...

      • Don Zeigler says:

        You're still stupid. Let me explain it to you again: There was no Linux in the 70s and 80s, so how could it have been dead? Your crash course in *nix history is nothing but smoke and mirrors.

  24. Christopher Gregory Wortman says:

    Windows 10 will be a FREE upgrade to all Windows 7 and 8.x users. Free as in beer. This is going to DOMINATE the desktop! Free copy of Windows for pretty much anyone who bought a computer since 2008! We may never see Linux on the desktop if MS keeps this free upgrade strategy up! Windows 8.1 was free to Windows 8, and 10 is being backpedaled to 7.

    Not to mention the community did NOTHING when everyone hated 8. I mean literally everyone just sat by with their thumbs up their bums. With the Vista fiasco, they pretty much dominated. Innovation everywhere! Windows 8? You hear a few snide remarks and that was about it... MS really screwed the pooch, this was their strike 3 and you gave it to them. ME, Vista, and 8. Don't expect them to make anymore blunders seeing as Windows 10 is the last version of Windows ever being developed, now its free upgrades to Windows for the life of whatever device. All rolling release style. They mess something up? Well it won't be too long before a fix.

    Linux had it's chance to shine and it BLEW it! Windows 10 January preview is excellent!

    • muffinstatewide32 says:

      ...Windows 10 is not a rolling release , and i doubt it ever will be as Microsoft is a Software Vendor! And that free upgrade for windows 7 and 8.x must be claimed within a year , which i feel the average user will not know about or bother with because that would be too hard.

      also January preview is ok... just ok , its nothing worth writing to your friends and family about

      • waloody88 says:

        u r wrong, it will be available when it come out on windows update, the average windows user will automatically download it from windows update. unless if it was manual or turned off, Microsoft clearly said they r transitioning to services providing module, no more just about software release

      • muffinstatewide32 says:

        it has not been confirmed that they will be distributing it via windows update tool, so lets assume it will be provided in the same way they have done upgrade installs since xp because that methods works at least half the time.

        they clearly said their vision had shifted to providing windows as a service instead of their old vision , meaning its supposed to serve you , not them. this has nothing to do with changing how they release software

      • skruis says:

        I really can't see MS 'forcing' the update via Windows Update. It'll be optional only and many people will probably miss it though I will be recommending that all of my W8 users upgrade to 10.

      • orionds says:

        Thanks for telling us (re: Win 10). I don't even use Win 7. Stopped after XP.

    • orionds says:

      MS must be starting to panic, giving Win 10 upgrades for free.

  25. LanceHaverkamp says:

    Yes, Microsoft is still the largest buggy whip manufacturer in the world; desperately clinging onto their cubicle farms. Because the Unix twins; Linux & BSD, have taken over the entire rest of the digital world: Your smartphone, router, DVR, navigation system, google, facebook, your sister's Mac, and the entire internet-of-things all run one of the Unixs. Heck, even the gamers are migrating to Steam/Linux.

    • dgf64 says:

      "Heck, even the gamers are migrating to Steam/Linux."
      Not so much I'm afraid.
      Steam Hardware & Software Survey: December 2014:
      Windows 95.43%
      OSX 3.35%
      Linux 1.10%

  26. John A Douglas says:

    Linux has been on my Desktop, laptop and netbook since 1996 (Ubuntu 6.10). Honestly can't see what the fuss is about.

  27. Don Zeigler says:

    And yet another crappy clickbait article by Windoze fanboy Brian Fagioli. "Windows 10 is the BEST Windows ever!!!!!" I'm running the tech preview and basically what you get is the return of the start button, and Modern apps stuck onto the right side of the start menu. Now, there might be a lot of earthshakingly different stuff under the hood but for the desktop user, that's the biggest differences between 8 and 10 they're going to see. Fagioli, most Linux users don't give a hoot about any desktop war - they use Linux because it suits their needs, It's my choice for most things and that's all that concerns me. Looking forward to your "Windows Eleven is the BEST Windows ever!!!!" article when it comes out in a few years...

    • blazewon22 says:

      Technically he's right... Just like Steve Jobs always said the new version is always the best one ever!!! LOL!

    • Since a long ago I read that "Nintendo is doomed", and I hear the same thing since Windows Vista. Before Windows Vista was launched, "Linux is doomed", before Windows 7 was launched, "Linux is doomed", before Windows 8 as launched, "Linux is doomed", and the story will repeat with Windows 10.

      The people don't see that GNU/Linux has loyal users that will always use that system, and that's the reason of why it maintain retain the 1%.

      And finally, I see there are many people who think that there isn't any life out of Adobe Suite and Autodesk AutoCad, because the last times there many software than came to Linux and they weren't expected, like AAA videogames and Steam service.

      Yes, I use GNU/Linux, and I developed websites and Java application entirely with that system, because all tools I need are for it. I only miss a little Photoshop, but I have a good alternative with Krita.

      I use Windows 7 for gaming (some physical old games that aren't available for Linux) and each time I run it I remember why I left it, because every time I updates the system becomes slower and the performance worsens. My Kubuntu system was installed in the same time that Windows 7 and the performance is not affected by the updates and the dozens of applications I have installed.

      • orionds says:

        Yes, very true. I have seen Win 7 machines taking 15+ minutes to boot up. Our old, single-core PCs with 1Gb ram take about 50 seconds to boot up Xubuntu - again, no matter how many programs I install into them over time.

    • orionds says:

      True. Took the words right out of my mouth: don't give a hoot about any desktop war. Linux just suits me fine.

    • SmallSherm says:

      Who ever said anything about Linux users flocking to Windows...? I think you missed the entire point of this article. All it says is that Windows users no longer have an obvious reason to flock to Linux.

  28. Kevin says:

    lol... well, no, not really. Microsoft is, and will continue to, spiral into obscurity.

  29. cheeto0 says:

    Chrome os is growing fast. Windows dominance will continue to slip. Windows 10 doesnt do anything to change that.

  30. phasegen says:

    The best Microsoft can hope for is to become a linux desktop, which is the direction they're moving in with Windows 10. Who wants to bet that Windows 13 will be that desktop environment?

  31. amateur analyst says:

    This article is a joke..........isn't it?

    I pretty well ditched MS years ago. Once I realized how pure and simple Linux is, I'll never go back to MS. I keep my old MS OS's running, but I won't be running for the newest. Why?

    I don't miss antivirus programs that keep trying to sell me upgrades.
    I'm an average computer user--you know, surfing, e-mail, skype, documents, photos and videos etc. That's what over 90% of computer users are--they don't need the elaborate programs that only run in Windoze. I don't use the cloud storage, don't care about calling programs "Apps", or staying on top of the latest technology. My Linux box just doesn't let me down unless it's a hardware failure, and Windoze can't prevent that, either. Linux life is so simple and straight forward. I love it! Mint is so rock solid.

    So what can Windoze offer me that I don't already have, and at no cost beyond the hardware? I don't miss all those headaches. And as long as the majority of people keep using MS stuff, there's not much incentive for hackers to develop Linux viruses. There's no money in it.

    MS has been telling me for years, ever since XP, what I want. Now, going on 15 yeqrs later, they still haven't got it right, and they want me to buy it again? In those same 15 years, Linux has made great strides, and now MS is starting to copy and incorporate Linux features into Windoze.

    So, am I missing something, or is MS still trying to pull the wool over my eyes--for a fee?

    • Ed says:

      The last time I tried to setup a webcam for linux was a nightmare.

      • amateur analyst says:

        If it was an MS webfcam, yes, but Logitech seems to work fine for me, and the built in cams in laptops seem to work on any machines I've worked with.

      • muffinstatewide32 says:

        thats odd , my microsoft webcam is working excellently on linux , i just plug it in.

      • amateur analyst says:

        Ok, I just learned something! Thanks. It may depend on who made the webcam for MS.

      • orionds says:

        Huh? All the webcams in my notebooks and netbooks run out of the box with Linux.

    • blazewon22 says:

      I think what he is saying is "Only the hope of it gaining any meaningful market share". While your points may be valid and work for you, the market has proven otherwise. AD integration and Office keep enterprises hooked. The consumer market is still dominated by Windows but OSX has made a dent thanks to iOS devices.

      Look at the bright side, Linux dominates the Server and Mobile markets!

    • waloody88 says:

      tell me, since when did windows copy linux, windows made virtual desktops since window xp, but as a paid feature to avoid confusing the average user, but now believe that windows 10 copied it from linux when its the other way round, on top of that some Linux distros copied windows start menu, just to make it more familiar for users to convert from windows to Linux, so tell me now who copies who?

  32. jpo321 says:

    So a desktop that isn't out yet is better than one that is? Although, you could argue that "the" Linux desktop isn't out. I would agree with one thing: Linux failed to capitalize on Microsoft's missteps with Windows. But that's because Linux doesn't have a desktop. It has "desktops."

  33. muffinstatewide32 says:

    This article is pointless. The linux desktop wont be dead until it stops being developed, in the same respect it wont be dominant until i can go to my local hardware store and buy a laptop or desktop PC running Linux.

    • waloody88 says:

      soon it wont be developed as functional tools when users have no reason to use it over windows, but few will develop it as a hobby to kill time, n make few ppl who are stuck in the past happy.

      • Aida Surugan says:

        there really is no reason to use windows though, at least in most people's cases .

      • waloody88 says:

        maybe the day OEM will per-install Linux in PC and Laptops & developers start to care to make good apps on linux, it will be the day windows doesn't matter, i use office apps, which are standard and cant be rendered correctly using other apps provided for Linux, plus i am a gamer, my PC is very powerful there no reason for me to downgrade its potential using Linux, only mac n windows matter for now, anything else doesn't count

      • muffinstatewide32 says:

        Do you even read the comment you reply to? Don't answer that its incredibly obvious you're too ignorant and jaded to actually listen to someone's opinion

      • waloody88 says:

        i shared my opinion, who is ignorant, its obvious that u r an angry Linux fanboy and that u r trolling me, coz i agree with the article, go oh n hate, i dont care

      • muffinstatewide32 says:

        I shared my opinion , I also read the other comments , you're all over the place with your "opinion" and I'm honestly unclear on what that is. Its obvious we're both fanboys , my question was poorly written so I will restate it .how can you be so quick to condem something you know so little about and have obviously only spent 30 seconds with ?

      • Aida Surugan says:

        Not that it matters but you just don't know how to do those things .....
        to be honest you can run anything in linux
        lol , but you are misinformed .

      • Peter J says:

        I'll jump in and say how true that is. When I visited my public library a couple of weeks ago, I saw Windows CE Embedded running on the terminals. Thing is, the terminals are turn-key machines whose sole purpose is to execute a Java program that lets users search an online catalogue of books and do some internet browsing. Linux and Java seem to work very well together, and browsers equal to or better than IE are available for Linux (Chrome, Firefox)... So they might've saved taxpayers in this city a couple million dollars if they adopted Linux instead of Windows, and would have had an equally functional system.

      • Mohammed Torquemada says:

        Wow, you're all over the place proclaiming how you love Windows. That is dedication. Paul Thurrott must be very happy. He needs all the help he can get.

      • waloody88 says:

        he need ll the help, or Linux need all the fan to shift it from 1 % market share, thats like a joke lol

  34. dgf64 says:

    Linux making a significant dent on the desktop is a pipe dream.

  35. Ted says:

    What a stupid article. Fagioli had a deadline to meet and this is a guaranteed way to draw eyes and meet a deadline.
    Ridiculous to beat the drum on an issue that real Linux fans are well past discussing.
    Must be nice to get paid for writing crap Fagioli.

    • waloody88 says:

      but he is right tho, even when linux is free it still had too low market share, ppl still used the pricey windows software or the pricey mac PC, the reasons some ppl moved to Linux was that they didnt like windows support/ upgrade limitations n crazy pricing, but even that is gone now, Linux is poor for gamers, n lack variety of application, now that windows support n pricing barrier is gone, Linux is goin to live only in mobiles n few servers, but not so much for the average PC consumer, its goin to the grave

      • async2013 says:

        Nothing to do with Microsoft and its grip on OEMS. Been going on years

      • Fernando Andrade says:

        you are an idiot, for free a lot of people already had windows or you think that 30% of windows users paid for it?

        the problem is OEMs is comes pre-installed... and please gamming on linux? are you out of ideas?

        also chromebooks are the greatest fear of MS come true ;)

      • waloody88 says:

        u r an irrational Linux fanboy, for free means more ppl will upgrade n say on windows u dumbass. i have a good gaming PC i want to game on it, i will not waste its resource running an underpowered OS with no identity were everyone tweak it & says we got an OS, no wonder why OEM's dont bother pre-installing it on PC, a market share of 1 % thats laughably pathetic, not worth mentioning . chomebooks? tell me more about it? oh yeah that OS that doesn't work without internet access, well its only selling well in the USA mostly in school, big deal!

      • Fernando Andrade says:

        And I am the irrational? LOOL

        kid go home and play with your toy ;)

  36. Ant says:

    Linux desktop will never die.

  37. claudecat says:

    The advantages of Linux will always be there for those willing to take advantage of them. No matter how great Windows 10 may be, it will still be a gigantic PITA to install things without getting your browser hijacked or worse, and you'll need to constantly be vigilant for malware and viruses.

    The benefits of Linux go even further though. No more scouring websites of varying degrees of scamminess for software to do even simple things. One stop shopping for updates to ALL your stuff, with no worries about the source of said updates. It may be harder initially, but in the long run it's far far easier and more efficient for even the average user to use Linux. Whether that ever happens to a large degree remains open to debate...

    • GreetingsEarthling says:

      We shall see. It looks like Microsoft will make desktop apps available through the Store-and who knows, they may lock down the OS Android-style, so that users must actively change a toggle before they install apps from outside the store. In fact, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they did.

  38. waloody88 says:

    i like this article, its very true, i as a long time windows user completely agree, Microsoft like all other companies had it ups n downs, we hated millennium, vista n windows 8, we hated the pricing to get or upgrade windows, but we still couldn't move on, i recently tried to install Ubuntu n it was so poor, i hated unity n i didn't see any advantage of it over windows, windows does gaming for me perfectly, n now with the free upgrade to windows 10 with continuous support n powerful desktop apps, i have no reason to try Linux again, mac is beautiful, but i dont want to buy an overpriced hardware n still not be able to game on it, am glad Microsoft finally started to listen to our feedback n made us love windows again, can't wait for windows 10, the preview so far is usable stable, n looks great :)

  39. triclone says:

    Conspiracy. Adobe flash, MS Silverlight (Netflix), game programmers, hardware manufacturers. Too hard for many to do the workarounds to get through. I do not even like Oracle's tactics.

  40. UglyStuff says:

    IMHO, the future of the Linux desktop lies in imitating Apple and OS X: take a Linux vendor (say, Canonical), and let them hook up with a PC OEM (say, mmm... take your pick) to create a new line of high-end machines running a hardware-optimized version of Ubuntu Linux.

    No more tweaking-and-entering, no more fiddling with drivers and stuff: the distro would be tailored to run on a specific machine (or range of machines), would work right out of the box, and if the container is sexy enough, if the content shows enough stability and eye-candy, you'd have yourselves a success story...

  41. Vin says:

    Never underestimate the power of an open source operating system.

    I am sure Windows 10 is very nice and I look forward to seeing it and may even buy a W10 laptop, but when I read stuff like this:

    "From a market share perspective, Linux owns the mobile space with Android; this is an undeniable fact. However, on the desktop, it will never be anything more than a niche hobby. ... However, it is time to accept that you are forever on the fringe -- you can thank Windows 10 for your shattered dreams."

    This is when I laugh because of the numerous times over the decades that I've heard such authoritative pronouncements which eventually become signatures of embarrassment.

    • orionds says:


      Besides "the Year of Linux on the Desktop", just as much bandied about is the "death" of Linux on the desktop. Also, despite the fragmentation of the many flavours of Linux desktops, they continue to flourish.

      Some of these flavours have earned praise and mainstream adoption e.g Linux Mint (though I stopped using it myself) and, more recently, Elementary OS.

      It's also this flexibility of flavours that gave rise to Raspbmc and Openelec, permitting the use of tiny, single-board computing devices to play with the big boys, e.g. as a media center for our movies, tv shows, music and elibraries.

      Enter the culinary world and tell the chefs world-wide that they should stop coming up with so many flavours and dishes, and concentrate on a few to stop confusing customers.

      Like haute cuisine, most of us cannot afford to pay for and experiment with the culinary creations of these chefs.

      The Linux desktop is free but the high price is the experimentation and willingness to try and dig in. Not for everyone? Possibly true. But, then again, flavours have been created that do not "cost" a lot in terms of ease of use and "familiarity" - enter Linux Mint, one such "dish" or flavour.

      The Linux desktop is serving us very well (with no complaints from the students) in our school's library where I help maintain a small network of Linux PCs, notebooks, netbooks and two iMacs (not my choice but put there as an added "attraction"). None of the computers boot into Windows for student use. We have saved thousands of dollars not having to upgrade the hardware and no one has complained about any lack of speed using Linux.

      The Linux desktop will continue to live on even if it never breaks into a two-figure percentage of users world-wide.

      • Hecc-MA says:

        We don't mean death in a literall way, just don't expect to ever see it making the big splash, understand it well. It's not gonna happen.

    • Hecc-MA says:

      A time will come when reality disproves those words, but right now they describe your marginal geek preference and reality just too well.

      Let my grandsons know about it, I don't expect to be alive by then and I can't tell if they'll be tech savvy.

  42. Andrew Warren says:

    You haven't said one thing aboutvwhy Windows 10 is good. Linux has the server side going for it. As people evolve into more computer literate by default, I hope Linux share will grow on desktops.

  43. hengels says:

    Windows is like fast-food. Easy to get, easy to consummate. I personally couldn't care less about that. I made the switch from Windows to Linux 5 years ago and that was the best thing I ever did in my 35 years IT life. The rise of Linux can't get stopped. It is not the quality of the product, it is the production method. Apple and Microsoft are fat sauropods which will be increasingly beleaguered by open source predators. It is the software production method which will count on the long-run. The freedom of software will earlier or later prevail over the convenience of using proprietary "fast-food".

  44. CymraegWelsh says:

    Fragmentation, not Windows competition, has always been the nail in the coffin for Linux on desktop.

    It didn't spread when w9x was widely derided as inadequate OS and NT was a costly pro system. It didn't took off during long XP slumber. It did not even gained noticeable market share during Vista and W8.x disasters.

    Fragmentation is not an issue on servers (admins takes care of keeping up the system), it is not an issues on set-top-boxes (one trick pony, install and forget), it is not an issue on Android as it buried fragmented Linux core under the Android application layer.
    But it is a nail in the coffin for desktop systems, and it will always be, unless someone as big as Google comes up with a desktop API layer to bury and hide Linux core API.

    NO ONE really wants to deal with n. f*ing installers (deb, rpm, spl, tgz, Gentoo, what else?) that by the way are so broken they fails miserably if the package is not exactly built for YOUR distro and YOUR version - and if you have customized it enough, you may fsckd anyway, even if LSB should assure you are not believe me, you are!

    NO ONE wants to test things on n. f*ing desktop systems (Unity, KDE, Gnome, Mate, Cinnamon, XFCE, Enlightenment, etc) which behaves in different ways every time your application needs to interact with other apps or the system - oh, yes, Open Desktop is a thing, but just try and see graphic apps literary needing to be patched to run on *each* different distribution/version to be really usable in different contexts!

    NO one wants to test things on different widget sets... GTK2, GTK3, Qt4, Qt5 (not even naming arcane ones and legacy versions) each one with the nasty habit to break up graphic software at each update.

    And you are really hosed if you need to run mixed 32 and 64 bit code (go for ia32 libs, download some hundreds MB and see if it works, though luck!).

    Developing for DESKTOP Linux is a mess and no one is really doing that if an alternative is possible, just look at Linux community user base (see Alexa or other stats sites): it is literary GOING AWAY.
    Linux on desktop is dead, communities are now 1/10 what they used to be a decade ago, who does not want to use Windows now uses mobile Linux, not Linux desktop, because Google successfully hidden Linux nastiness.

    • Hall9000 says:

      Need a hug? :-P
      You pointed out exactly why Linux isn't breaking to the surface. Look at Windows. You want a program? You download it and click either a zip file then click the install exec. A very few variations but that's basically it. This where Apple users will say if it's the same easiness for them. Linux? Read the above. I had someone try to slap me on the side of the head in a reply because I couldn't understant the bizantine workings of Linux in its different flavors. I'm not a tech. I'm not even a decent M$ nerd but I do see why Windows is the first choice of the novice. The day Linux standardizes to the same simplicity that M$ has is the day Linux will finally surface and be a force to reckon with.

      • AdRa says:

        M$? seriously? i stopped reading

      • Hall9000 says:

        Good, that will give you the ability to give an informed reply.
        Seriously? Many times I've had that detail pointed out to me. It's offensive? I don't care. Microsoft is a money machine. Users are walking wallets to Microsoft. If users weren't seen as such you would never have seen the debacle Windows 8 was.

      • LamiaLove says:

        Wtf?! I love win8. Not as much as win10, though...

      • Charlie Whitman says:

        Well, nine time times out of ten with Linux you go to the software center/repository, find the program, and tell it to install. If it's proprietary software, then it may be in the software center, but if not, you probably run the install script just like in Windows, and it and any libraries it needs get installed to either /opt or /user/local.

      • Hecc-MA says:

        That is, if you can find the program. Probably some sort-of-decent alternative not bad.

        And yes Gdebi and Synaptic simplify it a lot, even more than Windows, but the app offer still pales.

    • Hecc-MA says:

      Trolls are the main enemy of Linux, trolls and fanatism, people showing love/hate emotions for a piece of tech, and thinking they do it a favor.

  45. async2013 says:

    Brian so makes me laugh. Linux? Oh you mean the kernel...yeah that's THE most used kernel on the planet today. Desktop? That's so 1990s. Brian its GNU. People who have no clue call it Linux when its GNU/Linux. We are supposed to take you seriously from a basement while never getting out of it?
    The desktop is dead period

    • CymraegWelsh says:

      Desktop (Linux, Windows, OSX, ReactOS...) is (still) Personal Computing.
      Mobile, embedded, are not Personal Computing at all, you are basically logging into someone else systems and do what they allow you to do.
      People are not done with Personal Computing, as mobile and appliances were never meant to provide an alternative to PC, but just a device for people not needing a PC.

      • async2013 says:

        So explain why there's lots of articles about people using mobiles, tablets instead of their PC's? It's like the desktop OS share stories you get every now and again...pointless! When there's no total figure to go off whats the point? windows 7 45%, next time it's 48%...first time windows 7 had 45% of 300 million PC's next time it had 48% of 200 million PC's. Look at percentages and it's increased when in reality it's gone down.
        Mobile, Tablets, thats where it is NOT desktop PC's

      • CymraegWelsh says:

        Tablet and smartphone boomed, MS was not capable to deploy a viable platform for over a decade and Apple+Google filled the gap.
        That's all, one platform emerged, the other reduced sales both because customer's money either go to tablet or PC, and because many people does not really need a PC (and some working roles are better accomplished with a tablet).
        But that hardly means one platform is going extinct or irrelevant, as the two approaches are very different - Personal vs something it is a modern version of terminals.
        Make a PC resemble a tablet, and it will not appeal neither people needing a tablet, nor people needing a PC, as W8/Surface failure.
        Make a tablet resembling a PC, like ChromeOS, and you will have hard time coming out the niche even with Google's money!
        I don't see Surface and ChromeOS sales skyrocketing implying PC and tablets are converging toward a multirole machine, I rather see phablets sales skyrocketing showing that tablets are rather specializing as ultramobile PC companion - of course this too will mean less PC sales and less PC usage, but hardly extinction.

      • Charlie Whitman says:

        It's easy to explain that. Desktop/laptop machines were the only choice to do a number of things that aren't really that intensive. The availability of devices that do these things and are more mobile is a new market opportunity. However, that only applies to a limited percentage of tasks that were formerly done on a computer. People who only need to do those tasks can switch entirely to touch based, highly mobile devices. People who need to do more still need a desktop/laptop.

        Of course this also means a reduction, or at least a lack of so much increase, in the sales of desktop/laptop computers. Many people still need one, but with some substitution by mobile devices and longer practical lifetimes for existing computers, the market has to slow down some. Still, the userbase for desktop/laptop computers is continuing to grow, even if sales are slowing down. We are certainly not seeing sales headed to a stop.

        What we are actually seeing is the stabilization of the desktop/laptop market. That stabilization is bad news for Microsoft because their business model depended on a growing market. The stabilization of the market forces them to change to an extent how they do things. I think it also provides more opportunity for alternative desktop/laptop operating systems to grow in market share as standards become more generic to accommodate the greater diversity of systems communicating with each other.

        One thing that this does not take into account, however, is the possibility that mobile devices will someday begin to act as desktop/laptop devices. That is, it's possible that someday it will become common for people to plug their phone or tablet into something that gives them a keyboard, mouse (or other precise pointing device), and monitor so that they can use it as a desktop device. This is generally referred to as "convergence," and it is the reason that companies are investigating systems that provide an acceptable interface for both touch computing and desktop computing in one way or another.

        Right now, devices that satisfy people's needs as both a desktop and touch device don't really exist. Besides the interface differences, people want power for intense tasks. Putting users' data on "the cloud" is supposed to take care of storage/backup concerns, though it's hardly a perfect solution for all of those thanks to privacy, connectivity, and bandwidth concerns (among other reasons).

      • Peter J says:

        You should learn what those statistics actually mean; you're just rolling them off like a robot in an assembly line, but not imparting any meaning. Maybe you don't understand them yourself?

    • Hecc-MA says:

      Because it so matters which name we use, GNU/Linux, Linux, GNU, it's so freaking relevant.

      We're very sorry for not adressing your highness OS as it deserves. Still nothing to the desktop environment, less than nothing.

  46. Guest says:

    To say that Windows 10 is going to put the final nail in the coffin for the linux desktop is hyperbole. In my opinion so long as people continue to develop and use it on their desktop it'll be alive even if just a niche or a much smaller market as per usual. If anything it'll be business as usual just like it is whenever any new version of Windows gets released. I still see it being relatively bigger than ever though considering stuff like Steam is now on it.

  47. Jim says:

    What happened to Windows 9? Not to mention Windows 8. The only coffin Windows is making is its own.

    • AdRa says:

      were you sleeping?

    • i2matrix says:

      actually its threat of linux(android), which made Windows 10 to finally come to its term and listening customers. Why .NET was opened, due to java, why windows 8 was free below 8 inch factor, due to android....
      Even die hard windows users should thank free(as in freedom) alternatives(like linux) for posing a significant threat so that Microsoft has come to see windows as a service, not as a cash cow.

      Fans may keep using windows, But instead of becoming thankful to linux to force windows to change to windows 10, they are being arrogant thankless persons.

      • LamiaLove says:

        Maybe you should thank Microsoft for being shortsighted and lazy as to allow java, android and eclipse to exist. :))

      • JasonJoyner says:

        Visual Studio Community Edition is free because Visual Studio Express was always free. It turns out giving things out for free is a good way to upgrade people to the paid offerings. Netbeans and Eclipse had nothing to do with it. Microsoft just renamed the free version.

      • i2matrix says:

        ...AND visual studio express edition "was" free because

        Netbeans and Eclipse "was" free.

        Because before that ,in the case of Visual Studio "6" , it had no free /express editions. Only when java severely undermined enterprise market of Visual Studio 6, (and sun +microsoft jvm debacle for Microsoft in the court), then .NET (as alternative answer platform of java users) and came Visual Studio Express (as an alternative answer for Eclipse and Netbeans of java platform).

    • Hecc-MA says:

      Old news, name was dumped.

  48. A successful Windows version isn't anything new. It happened in 1998, then in 2001, and then in 2009. While I was too young during the former two, I can still see that we didn't budge much during the Windows 7 era.

    Rather, that was the time we saw the inception of modern desktop technologies like GNOME 3 and KDE 4. Of course, the earlier versions sucked back then, but today GNOME 3 and Plasma 5 are the best desktops around if you ask me.

    But then again, GNU/Linux has its own issues; fragmentation in particular. Some more thoughts on the subject:

    • i2matrix says:

      On funny side: an ironic co-incidence is that you are "indian", i am an "indian" - who are defending Linux. And Microsoft CEO is also "indian", who is pushing windows 10 - as per his cloud/service vision.
      lol :-)

    • i2matrix says:

      in your article:
      1) on "installation argument":
      1.1) i may point that there is superdeb format
      1.2) is also one solution
      1.3) probably docker based apps may also lead to solve this problem

      2) on "necessary evil" i will like to mention that even if we ignore mint(with codecs bundled) linux, still the most important thing is that FAT,mp3 and lots of important patents are going to expire in year 2017 . So apart from H.264 , many of the important restricted formats will become free(as in freedom). Even in case of H.264, after introduction of cisco's openH.264 into firefox 34, shows that this problem will also solve. Apart from that Daala scheduled release in 2016, which i expect to become IETF standard - should give a significant run to upcoming H.265. So this argument of yours regarding restricted formats is valid this date, but will almost become auto-invalid when these patents become vapour in year 2017. So yes, second argument can go away only in ubuntu 18.04 LTS

  49. If Windows 7 didn't kill GNU/Linux desktop, Windows 10 won't kill it.

    • Peter J says:

      Linux just stagnates.

      • sola says:

        Linux desktops have been improving leaps and bounds the last couple of years.

        Linux may stagnate market-share wise but it is hell of a lot more usable now, than it was even in a couple of years ago.

      • Peter J says:

        No arguments here! Linux is a stable kernel, and the desktop environments are getting to be pretty first rate. I wasn't necessarily referring to stagnant market share or useability so much as all these distros re-inventing the wheel. If only the "community" could focus their energies towards a common goal...

    • Hecc-MA says:

      Win 95, ME, Vista, 8.x are all chances Linux failed to grasp. Windows 10 is getting so much more hype than Win 7 itself, and it was a huge success.

      So yeah Linux won't die, but it will be close and will lose much importance.

  50. dsx says:

    Great satire, thanks for good laughs :)

  51. Tom Statham says:

    For people to take windows off their machine and install Linux, they need to be sure it will work. Aside from games, this is a question of drivers. What any distro needs is something akin to the Windows 7 Upgrade Advisor. A tool that runs on windows and inventories hardware then reports back on whether drivers are available for their hardware and possibly even if there is a linux compatible version of the software that they already use.

  52. Sven123456789 says:

    Nothing gets people more up in arms than the OS choice. I never thought windows was that bad till win 8, which is terrible. I've had a chance to look over win 10, its pretty good. As far as linux goes, I've tried a dozen distro's over the years, and its not bad. But the main problem I have, as I do with OS X is, Too many programs and games I use, need Windows. You can use wine and other programs that help you use win programs but its not enough. Latest info shows windows still over 90 percent of all users. So people are kidding themselves if they think windows is going to be surpassed any time soon. What surprised me is how low the user rate is for Mac. I thought it would be up near 25 percent but it too is below 10 percent.

  53. Dan Wolf says:

    I don't think Linux needs market share. They just need a large enough market. The momentum from Valve and increased GPU contributions is how I gauge having arrived at a market size large enough to get what I need to work. I actually don't play games, but games seem to drive the headlines, and get attention to follow. I don't use Linux because Windows is bad or expensive. I could afford a Mac too. I happen to like the DE I use (Unity, in my case with Openbox sometimes) and also the environment Linux provides for super flexible configuration of everything. I think there are enough ways people use a computer for all the OSes to be viable for a lot of people.

  54. john young says:

    This is you typical BN Link bait article. Look at the sheer number of posts. Fangirls come out in droves. Joe Wilcox is great at these, it usually is Google vs Apple, with Apple the loser in his link bait posts.

    Microsoft is losing its fan base. Windows and the PC were once the thing the IT/electronics world revolved around. Nothing could stop them in that game. Then the players left and started new games, mobile, cloud etc. At first Microsoft did not play those game, but now they are desperately trying to keep Windows relevant while trying to get into these new games.

    Right now Office and massive price hikes for Data Center/Enterprise products are what is keeping Microsoft in the game, and keeping the money rolling in.

    The following are either failures, poor performers or very lack luster...

    * Windows Phone
    * Surface Hardware
    * Bing
    * Windows RT (OS)
    * Xbox

    Linux does not need to care about "Desktop Market Share". Hit the command prompt of many devices and see if the you get this (Microsoft) or this / (everything else)

    Seriously some form of NIX (Unix/Linux) is everywhere!!!! Android, Chrome, iOS, OS X, Cisco IOS, PS3, PS4, VMware, Chevy My Link, and MANY, MANY, MANY more devices that run many things in our day to day lives.

    Windows 10 will be on what in the future? Some PC's?

    • Peter J says:

      Desktop Linux might still be important to some... The world doesn't revolve around your needs.

      • john young says:

        Peter re-read my post. Exactly where did I say Linux Desktops were not important? They are for many. That said they have never had a great following because the masses are not technical enough to use it. Linux keeps getting better but lots of stuff still does not work, stuff people need.

        Sure their are alternatives, but if you job uses Adobe or Microsoft products and you need them for your job....Linux is not the answer.

        Linux is on far more devices than Windows is, and that won't change.

  55. Nizho Grafx says:

    ha ha ha ... Just use your favorite operating system people. I've got Dell laptop running OSX because ubuntu wouldn't do Photoshop. However, I use linux in all our other systems. personally I dealt with to many issues with Windows for so long that I gave up. The experience of hassles just got me fed up with the DLL HELL.

    I GOT AN IDEA LETS ALL GET TOGETHER AND MOB THOSE UNIX GUYS AND THAT PC BSD crowd I'm sure they got some flaws and unsupported software issues we can hassle them about.


    take care everyone!

  56. bjb1959 says:

    Unless Windows 10 is suddenly being developed by someone other than Microsoft or is suddenly no longer plagued by 10's of thousands of viruses (My cousin got a new windows 8.1 laptop awhile back that was infected within a week, her fault but still) I will not be switching back to a Windows desktop anytime soon, probably ever. people who are comfortable using Windows will most likely never switch, viruses and all, and those who truly understand computers and how they operate and choose Linux will most likely never switch either. In my opinion Linux, like OSX doesn't need to dominate the desktop, it just needs to be a solid, viable alternative for those who choose to not be one of the sheeple.

    • Peter J says:

      "People who truly understand computers" are the ones who understand they are a dumb tool, and nothing else. They are ones who use that tool to their liking, and may or may not use Windows.

  57. sn0wflake says:

    I've tried many times to convert to Linux but kept going back to Windows because Linux is simply too non user friendly. Trying to get graphic cards to work would take days, trying to get a common Intel RAID controller to function was the final nail in the coffin. Install Windows and all your hardware just works out of the box. I like the idea of a free OS but Linux simply isn't user friendly and that's why it has failed on regular desktops.

    • OregonCoaster says:

      I've been using Linux for 18 years and it's been my primary desktop that whole time. Windows 10? (We skip "9" because we want everyone fooled into thinking it's really, really new Windows?? Yeah sure to that.)

      I might buy Windows 10 at some point to install in a VM. I assume that the one or two Windows apps I prefer may update to a point where they won't work in XP and Win 10 may offer a longer useful life than Win 7. But "kill Linux on the desktop?" Balderdash.

      Don't assume I'm a windows hater. Just realize that I like a level of quality and convenience which are not a part of the Windows world. I like having the extra speed and stability and a truly useful multiuser OS.

      Pundits claiming Linux has lost the desktop show shallowness of thought. If Linux distros were dependent on selling copies in competition to Windows you might have a point. The biggest money-pile in the competition isn't the issue. A fast, secure, wildly functional OS is the issue and Linux wins hands down. When I install Linux I get dozens of quality applications without nagware or trialware--installed from the get-go or available and installed with a simple command. Linux knows all my hardware and it all just works.

      Linux will continue to be my primary desktop into the foreseeable future because the issue of who makes the largest pile of money from an OS will continue to be irrelevant.

      • satrain18 says:

        You are a Windows hater...

      • OregonCoaster says:

        Nope. Not hater. Just don't like it much. If it was more useful out of the box without adding 100's of $$ worth of added software it might be closer to likeable. If it had a more useable interface that made running more than one program at a time easier it might be closer to likeable.

        No, little one, I don't hate Windows. I just think it is a marginal OS and not worth the hassle for a machine that needs to get real work done with several apps running at once: some in the foreground, some in the background and all available at a click of a mouse

      • LamiaLove says:

        You can spot Linux fanboys a mile away - people who pick on commercial moves, like naming the next windows 10 instead of 9, and use them as argument in a text that makes a point against some product.
        That's exactly why Linux failed so badly: you people have no idea how marketing works and how user interest is generated.

      • JasonJoyner says:

        Plus the fact that 9 was skipped to get around developers using APIs wrong to maintain backwards compatibility and had nothing to do with marketing. I guess backwards compatibility is something Linux has always had a problem understanding.

      • OregonCoaster says:

        Lamia, you clearly misunderstand reality. Linux is not losing a marketing challenge. Linux is not in that game for the Desktop. Marketing is about sales. Linux on the desktop is not about sales and not about marketing. When's the last time you've seen an advertisement for Fedora or Ubuntu or Mint?. Linux is about functionality and about freedom. In functionality and freedom, Linux is winning.

        When MS "markets" Windows as software, it has various arm-twists it has applied to hardware vendors to distribute Windows with their hardware. When MS markets a computer it loses spectacularly like it is doing with Windows 8 RT on the overpriced and underwhelming "Surface" line of products.

      • LamiaLove says:

        You missed my point. I said you used a commercial move (skipping 9 and going straight to Windows 10) as an argument against Windows. That makes no sense.
        Logic fail = > Linux fanboy.

      • OregonCoaster says:

        Lamia, you don't read for comprehension very well. It wasn't "an argument against Windows." It was a snicker about trying to fool those using Windows that Win10 was so extra much more than Win8.

        If Windows 10 is slicker than sliced cheese and more powerful than the batmobile it'll speak for itself as a step forward for Windows and you won't need to defend it at all costs like the other Windows Fanboys. If it is merely Win8.1 with the tiles out of sight then my comment would be ho hum. What it actually is and will be still remains to be seen. You think the key-logger will be in the final version?

      • LamiaLove says:

        "It was a snicker about trying to fool those using Windows that Win10 was so extra much more than Win8."
        Exactly what I said. You use marketing moves as an argument against Windows, be it a "snicker", as you like to call it, or an "argument" as I called it.
        This "tactic" of yours makes no sense. You cannot attack Windows with crap like that since it does not show anything relevant to your bashing. But you think it does. That's because you are a Linux fanboy, and "snickers" are your only "arguments" against Windows.

      • OregonCoaster says:

        You really don't get it. It totally was an effort to fool Windows users into thinking Win10 is far improved from Windows 8 and you almost seem to understand that this is just marketing BS. That remark is NOT an attack on Windows and not an argument against Window. It is a snide remark about the mendacity of Windows' purveyors. That is a distinction that seems above your paygrade as a sillly little Windows fanboy.

        Windows is what it is and it has never exceeded my expectations. I started my "Windows Experience" by buying a "Windows application" before Windows itself was a product. Windows 1.0 was late (you probably weren't around for the delays on Windows 1.0). To allow my purchase to work (Micrografx Windows Draw) Micrografx and others Windows app developers had to arm-twist MS into releasing a kluge called "Windows Run-Time System" since real Windows didn't not yet measure up.

        I ran Windows 1, Windows 2, Windows 286, Windows 386, Windows 3.0, Windows 3.1, Windows 3.11, Windows NT 3.5, Windows NT 4.0, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows 2K, Windows XP, and I have Windows 8.1 on a shrunken partition of my laptop which primarily runs Fedora 21. I was around reading about the wonders of "Cairo" and "Longhorn" which never materialized in the long delayed versions of Windows they were supposed to become.

        No, I'm not criticizing Windows in snickering about the weak attempt of MS to convince us all that Windows 10 is "a great leap forward" as the Maoists used to call such things. It will be what remains to be seen: either an unusually advanced version of the Windows desktop or Windows 8.2.

        You need to find something more important to defend Windows against. I've lived Windows' awkwardnesses and bugs and insecurities for nearly 30 years. You have some catchup to do.

    • Charlie Whitman says:

      Your experiences are not specific enough for me to be sure what this issues are.

      These days most graphics cards just work. The main exception is of course that Nvidia cards need a driver installed for acceleration to work. For new user aimed distributions (for example, pretty much everything based on Ubuntu) this is generally pretty easy to install.

      Hardware RAID controllers usually just work. If instead you are using a FakeRAID controller, then they usually work as separate drive interfaces just as though they were individual SATA drive connections (because they essentially are). If this is the case, then usually you can get them to work with dmraid if you must. However, unless you are dual booting with Windows you are probably better off using Linux software RAID, since FakeRAID is essentially software based anyway.

      I have a FakeRAID controller which I am not using at the moment. When I have used it, however, I just treated the interaces as separate SATA drives and used software RAID.

    • If you ever tried linux mint...

      • JasonJoyner says:

        Ah, the common fanboy fallback. "You're using the wrong distro. Try this one over here." Too may distros may actually be the root of his problem to start with. Why would a hardware manufacturer ever spend the time writing drivers for 100 different distros of Linux, when they can just write one for Windows and have it work for every version of Windows made in the last 10 years?

      • I'm not a fanboy for anything, or I would be posting such hateful responses to that microsoft fanboy who wrote the biased article in the first place.

        I just like free software.

  58. Joe Silvia says:

    The author has confused his poor prediction and guesses with facts.

    I guess it's a slow day in the blogosphere, Nostradumbass. There was a time when high quality journalism was the primary way to drive traffic. Nowadays, it's all about the sensational headline driving the traffic.

    Content? Unimportant. Need any evidence? Read this drivel.

    • Peter J says:

      High quality journalism was actually killed by the Internet. It just took about 10 years for anyone to figure that out.

  59. Mav6 says:

    I've got my system setup with a duel boot Antergos Linux (Beautiful Rolling Arch Spin) and Windows 7 with Linux being my primary. It takes me less than a minute to boot from one to the next I really don't know what could be better all things considered.

  60. ImpliedConsent says:

    Typical Fagioli. Starting 2015 with the usual bait.

  61. surja says:

    As long as Windows is vulnerable (in a big way) to the malware problem, the Linux desktop will have its use.

  62. Charlie Whitman says:

    The article seems disingenuous. The author doesn't convince me that he really believes what he is writing. It looks like it's just "click bait."

    • Hecc-MA says:

      You sound pretty much like those religious people who distort the meaning of everything becase they can't put up with reality.

      • Charlie Whitman says:

        I'm bewildered by this reply. What are you talking about? I sound like I'm distorting the meaning of something because I think the author sounds insincere?

      • Hecc-MA says:

        Yup, pretty much like that.

        "seems, convince me, looks like, believes"

        Most conjectural comment I'll read this year, and completely empty.

      • Charlie Whitman says:

        The article is as you describe my comment. He claims that Windows 10 is some kind of game changer, but he doesn't give any reasons why that should be. Windows 10 does look to be a more competent and pleasing version of Windows than 8/8.1 was, but 7 was the same to Vista, and that didn't change anything.

        People generallly seem to like 8 even less than Vista. Personally, I think 8 was better under the hood than Vista. I don't like the way the interface jumps back and forth between conflicting paradigms in 8, but at least it doesn't choke on updates. So I expect 10 to be 8 with several of the problems fixed, and thus pretty decent as Windows goes, but nothing essentially new. What makes the author think differently? He doesn't say.

        I've seen a number of people recently run Linux on hardware that used to have XP on it because XP support was discontinued. I've seen a number of people run Linux on hardware that was cheap and low spec, and didn't run Windows 7 or 8.1 very well (though I've seen 8.1 run better on some low spec hardware than other low spec hardware, and wonder what the OEM did differently).

        Currently the Linux desktop has more users than ever, and that's more than it needs to continue to be successful.

        The author seems to be addressing the idea that Linux could have some kind of surge of users that gave it a double digit percentage share of the desktop. Whether that's likely to happen or not, I'm not certain, but Windows 10 doesn't substantially change the chances of that. Windows 7 was always going to hold Windows' "place in line" so to speak until the next competent Windows came out. Microsoft always waits until business users approve of a new version of Windows before they stop selling the last version that they liked. They didn't stop selling XP until 7 came out, and they aren't going to stop selling 7 until a version business users like comes out. For that to change, Microsoft would have to stop trying to come out with a version that satisfies business users, and that's not going to happen.

      • Hecc-MA says:

        You're right, its not going to change nothing, Windows will keep dominating and Linux will remain as marginal as always.

  63. Eric Sleeper says:

    Windows 10 will not be the nail in the Linux desktop's coffin.

    But it will surely kill Linux desktop growth for the next decade.

    • It'll deceive people into buying new hardware and when windows 6.4 (10) breaks down, it'll probably convince people to (GASP!!) throw out their machine. Big cash grab indeed.

    • john young says:

      "But it will surely kill Linux desktop growth for the next decade."

      Lol! NOT. It won't do anything to Linux. There is not some massive Linux Desktop growth because of Windows 8.x.

      Windows people have not started to flock to Linux because Windows 8.x is horrible. They either put up with it, stay on Windows 7 or move to a Apple alternative, Mac or iPad.

    • Steve Sadler says:

      Cross platform only works for the people that have windows for all their devices. Since only my desktop runs windows, cross platform doesn't doesn't mean jack to me. I'll continue to use windows because of Photoshop and games, otherwise I'd be in the linux camp full time.

  64. Mike Frett says:

    Nice click bait. I'm sorry but the Desktop is dying and Microsoft is between a rock and a hard place. They lost the Mobile war and have no place to go. Windows 10 is Microsoft's last ditch effort to lock users to it's platform by moving to a subscription only model.

    If anything is dead here, it's Microsoft. Windows 10 is desperation. It's still the same Virus attractant and back-door filled OS. Windows is for old people and the ignorant. Mobile is the future and the future doesn't include Microsoft.

    • Peter J says:

      Ha ha! That's a funny reponse -- you fool -- have you ever tried to edit video on mobile? Or develop raw using a touchscreen? Or try using CAD on a 7-inch screen? Everything mobile depends on the real work getting done on a desktop or worktation computer. Fine, you can use Chrome to get some small semblance of that functionality back, but you'll be giving up your freedom -- not that the likes of you would ever notice your liberties getting taken away in the first place. Fact is, it looks like you might be in the early stages of dementia if you actually believe half of what you're saying (at least your comments sound ignorant).

  65. Austin Davolt says:

    Bait. Jackass.

  66. Abdul Hamid Malik says:

    MS has a long story of failures and looting people by declaring the sold SW as un-supported. And bringing a new version every year. Just wait when you will listen Spring; Summer; Fall & Winter versions as the Automobiles has started early and late models.

    And be careful to declare others dead. Give your balanced remarks and facts; don't make your articles "The Latest NEWS" for public please.

  67. Luieburger says:

    Ubuntu and Fedora won't usher in the year of the Linux desktop. Google and ChromeOS will.

    • Linux Mint will end up being more friendly than ubuntu, it's based on it, without the extra bloat and I like the cleaner interface.

      • Hecc-MA says:

        Eye candy extras that soon fall in second plane, as the need of pro apps soon urges you to either swallow the arid reallity of Linux, or catapults you back to Windows.

      • Nothing can force me to go back to windows. Sure it's on a disused partition on a second hard disk drive, but what makes me want to use it as the sole non-free, restrictive operating system? I will not.

      • Sorry, but I don't need "pro apps" To get things done. Libreoffice is more than enough for office documents, it's free software. Video editing? I use kdenlive. There's also lightworks, also free, unless I want to shell out $200 for the fully featured suite. Yes, it's made for linux and it's professional. I won't go back to microsoft's software. Printers? I'll choose brands that don't require draconian closed source software for proper operation. I don't even care about eye candy. Linux is for me, but don't for your windows fanship on others.

    • OregonCoaster says:

      Luie, perhaps you don't get something basic about Linux: there are reasons that Linux distros are different from each other. Useful and meaningful differences among distros that make them suitable for different users. One of the great advantages of Linux is that you are not forced to make one or two versions to fit every users. I like Fedora. I have friends who prefer Mint or Ubuntu. It's not a competition it's a preference.

      For some reason some Windows and Apple users get all wigged out over the vast number of choices Linux users have. They aren't similarly worried about all the models and trim-lines the car business has. I have a Highlander and I have friends who have totally different cars. I don't fault their choices and they don't fault mine--different cars for different people for different reasons. I wouldn't recommend Fedora for a beginner but someone who wants the state of the art in Linux distros you cannot do much better than Fedora. I'm not enthusiastic about the narrowness of Google's options or the restrictions Android has in the new tablet I got my grandkids but a tablet or a phone is a more limited computing device than my desktop. Lots of choices seem good to me and not to some folks. I'm fine with folks who limit their own choices I just don't want them trying to limit mine.

  68. ibo92 says:

    Or not !

  69. bubba_jones101 says:

    Linux isn't dead on the desktop.

  70. Mi Pen says:

    Its free to old users for a Year..after that it costs. Also Win 10 I doubt will fix the main Windows problem. It being slow and prone to bloat and slowing down soon after install.

    I use Linux not because of pointless eye candy...(I prefer XFCE). The distro im actually interested in in the release version of Elementary OS. That is nice..easy to use.

    Though I would like more developed Widgets that could fill the same role as those charms things.

    Chrome OS would be improved by integrating Android apps into Chrome OS.

    And Ubuntu has that planned Scopes thing..which sounds a lot like charms but lower processor use.

    PS: I'm sure everyone with WIn 7 or 8 will nab the free upgrade. Even I will....for my win partition..doesn't mean I will be dropping Linux.

    • Aaron says:

      I love Linux and use it on many of the computers in my life. I run Ubuntu on my main work laptop and have several Raspberry Pi's around my house doing various things. I also use Windows on many computers in my life. I have beefy Windows PC I use for gaming as well as a Windows tablet.

      I just wanted to comment on the remark you made about the main problem of Windows being bloat. I don't think that is so true any more. With Windows 8.1 it runs surprisingly well on just 1GB of ram. Windows running with WIMBoot helps reduce that bloat and saves a ton of disk space as well.

      I have to commend Microsoft for working on reducing the overhead on Windows like they've done. One of my favorite things about Linux is how well it runs with so little resources. But Windows has made great strides recently to compete in that regard. It was always the case that newer versions of Windows required more powerful hardware to run, but with the latest version of Windows they actually reversed that trend for the first time.

  71. oneleft1 says:

    What is this? You say it's dead but give no specifics. You say 10 closes the door entirely but give no specifics. You say these as matter of fact then conclude by declaring 10 "could" be that good.

  72. Joaquín Juliarena says:

    Windows 8 is not a failure, it is a failure in sales, but the OS is good, indeed it is very similar to windows 7, but with Moder UI, the new interface for tablets..
    Also, the sales were bad, that means there's a lot of people still using windows 7 or, even, XP. And the ones that have Windows 8, if they want, will probably go "a step back", erase Windows 8 and install windows 7, instead of linux..
    I know that for many people Linux will be just fine, I'm speaking of people who just use the PC for Facebook or to navigate, maybe Word or some basic programs, but windows provides them that, the same as linux, so why would they have reasons to use Linux if they already have Windows?
    And people who needs even more than that will probably use Windows too.
    The only reason to use Linux right now is because of freedom, personalization, choice or stability. That are the things the comunity can use to promote Linux in the desktop, but the one that will probably be more heard by normal people is the last one, only if they had really serious problems with windows. I think Linux needs much more to "shine" in the desktop.

  73. dvr says:

    ... well said below, CLICK BAIT !!
    Ensued panic without the facts.

  74. Peter J says:

    Because this is a forum of opinions, I shall add my own (take it or leave it):
    The status quo wherein no Linux OS has particularily thrived at desktop computing is partly linked to social failures within the Linux "community," who all to often get caught up in the "tech" and miserably fail to see a bigger picture. I find it ironic that this very mentality has helped to worsten social divides even though its fanbase often regurgitates a set of mantras that would otherwise turn a Soviet propagandist green.
    Linux could have formed the basis of a revolution with the computing world: it might've been used on older hardware and notebooks donated to schools, and might've saved educational systems world-wide from spending billions on Microsoft and other proprietary OSs; Linux could have been used to disseminate unwanted tablets and computers to the under-privileged, to various charities, non-profits, etc.; it might've even sparked a revolution in the way people access their information. But alas, it was not to be. I recall the 'my way or the highway' attitude of Linus Torvalds towards potential allies, the anachronistic whinings of Richard Stallman and the FSF, the insults of Linux fanboys (and fangirls) towards new adopters, the personal threats over systemd, a multitude of forks and different UIs ... Well, they all contributed to Linux, seen here as a tool of liberation, slipping away from the masses and into corporate control.
    Instead iLinux and its associated parts are the basis for dry (sometimes even dangerous) commercial projects that none of us should really be excited about -- unless you put notoriety ahead of the common good. The Linux system gets stripped and re-inventec to taste by entities such as Google and IBM, while the people who do not have the means are forced to once again swallow what they're fed. Same gruel, just a different brand.
    By failing in undertaking a much more important mission, Linux has sentenced itself to obscurity. And to many, that's just fine. It's even debatable whether such a revolution would have had the steam to gain traction. But if any of that is true, then please stop this talk about software freedom and social contracts because they are just words to the wind. Linux has failed to fulfill any social contract and shamefully never really tried. It was always, and still remains strictly about the "tech." Ironically, that also hinders it becoming a generally useable operating system.

    • satrain18 says:

      Linux isn't dead, but it's still a (very small) niche on the desktop and will stay that way. one of the problems is that there are some Linux fanboys who resort to lying to spur adoption and people ended up feeling cheated and going back to Windows. The worst Linux Nazi is Robert Pogson( He lies and distort statistics and graphs to make Linux look good. He NEVER says anything good about Windows. EVER. But he never say anything bad about Linux, which shows that he's open-source biased(talk about drinking the Richard Stallman Kool-Aid). He's in his 70s but he writes articles like an 15-year-old Linux fanboy(M$, that other OS, etc.). He's also a ARM fanboy because he believes that the only desktop people should be allowed to have are ARM powered thin clients. What's even worse is that he's also a school teacher who indoctrinating his students. His biggest fan are Douglas Smith, aka 'dougman', who used to own and operated untill it when bankrupt a month ago because he sneak and install Linux on his coustumers' PCs. He also very rude and obnoxious just like Pogson. Another one of his fans goes by the name of 'ram', an employee at another Linux propaganda
      bureau. Only this time, it's masquerading as an acoustic equiptment dealer

      • Peter J says:

        You've made a huge point about certain Linux advocates outright lying about their OS of choice. They do make it sound as though it's a drop-in replacement for Windows, and all you gotta do is add WINE. Nothing could be further from that truth: WINE is buggy, incomplete, and setting up a gold-rated Windows program is difficult and always results in lost functionality and instabilities. Their rating system is worthless and regressions always enter into the picture. The likelyhood WINE will run the same Windows program on two different distributions is a coin-toss. Never mind WINE! It just doesn't work for 99% of what people might try it for.
        Linux is a very different OS from Windows, in both philosophy and implementation. You simply cannot run Windows programs under Linux because no such binary compatibility exists. If you plan on moving to Linux you must be aware that you will never use your old software again. There are a few good (some very good) alternatives in the Linux world, but that Windows software of yours will never run. Period. And you will have to re-learn a few things in dealing with the new operating system and software.
        Those who try duping people into Linux are doing a terrible disservice to their friends and family, strangers who read their blogs, Linux itself, and ultimately to their own credibility. /RANT

      • ray says:

        Linux was/is a drop in for me and I can't remember when I had to use WINE because I wanted to run a WINBLOWS program. If you can't find what you want in a program within the 30,000 FREE programs that come with a Linux distro then you might want to reevaluate your need for it in the first place. Such rubbish.

      • Peter J says:

        "...30,000 FREE programs that come with Linux..." Does not make 30,000 good programs that come with Linux.
        And I can tell by the your injecting "WINBLOWS" into the conversation automatically qualifies you as an expert...
        And drop-in means it can run Windows programs, but it can't, so it's not a true drop-in. It's more like an alternative,
        Oh, speaking of rubbish (yours, to be sure), where can I get Photoshop CS5 for Linux? You must know because Linux does everything YOU need... What, no Photoshop on Linux anywhere? I thought you said it was a drop-in replacement for Windows (or as you say with so much forced irony: Winblows:). I guess I'll just have to look elsewhere because I run a business with Photoshop and not with GIMP or anything else. Just with Photoshop. So maybe it's well and good I knew I couldn't use Photoshop CS5 under Linux, is it not? Or are you one of those Linux fanboy deceivers we've been talking about who'd lead your customers astray?
        Plus, I don't need an ale soaked anonymous asshole telling me what my needs are. But I'll be sure to keep you in mind if I ever do.

      • OregonCoaster says:

        Yo Pete, you're tied to Photoshop? Then go with an OS that runs Photoshop and be happy. I don't like Photoshop so much. I use other apps and I even use a couple under Windows running in a VirtualBox window under Linux. (Cut and paste from Linux to Windows--both have simultaneous access to the data files. Works well for things that I prefer using a Windows app for and works well for passing things back and forth to apps which I prefer for different application often with the same data.)

        In general, flexibility and instant access to a new app to scratch a new itch works for me with Linux. Tied to one app that runs under a limited range of OSes? Go for it. I wouldn't have it any other way for you. It simply isn't the measure of an OS that some particular app doesn't run under it.

        My personal preference for my occasional use of Windows is that I keep it restricted to running in a VM that has limited access to the Internet. It makes Windows way safer than Naked Windows out in the cold cruel world all by itself.

      • Peter J says:

        My point is that you can't call Linux a one-to-one replacement... It's unique and no better or worse overall. But to say you won't miss your old apps is plain wrong if you're tied (for better or worse) to a particular Windows program. And to put down Windows is not an answer. I'm sure that GIMP is on par with Photoshop Elements but, like Elements, it cannot (yet) handle 16-bits per channel TIFF files. Eventually, I'm going to have to just convert and live with what GIMP has to offer if I want to continue using Linux.
        My discussion was geared at people who may be new to Linux and OSs in general. It was just a forewarning that switching will force you to stop using 99% your Windows programs (even the other 1% will be problematic with WINE), and that there were a few people in the past who made it sound like WINE is some kind of solution -- which it is definitely not to this very day. It woud really, really suck multiple big ones for new users just finding this out the hard way.

      • OregonCoaster says:

        Yo Pete,
        You keep focusing on GIMP. GIMP is a great program but it is only one of many terrific graphics/image editing programs available to Linux users.And, of course, there's always using PS within a Windows VM if you want. On modern architectures working with a VM is fast, slick and SAFE integrates easily within a LInux environment. WINE or the commercial CrossOver are useful for some programs but not a generalized solution.

      • Charlie Whitman says:

        Peter, your general premise is correct, but in my experience WINE is not really as bad as you say.

        Generally in WINE the ratings system is pretty accurate if you pay close attention to the versions of software used. However, any version change, either in WINE or the application, can lead to completely different results. However, I have not gotten different results from different distributions running the same version of WINE with the same configuration settings and any winetricks and the same version of the application.

        That being said, WINE is only a good solution for a very limited smattering of modern applications (though it can be a pretty good way to get a really old application running that doesn't work in Windows anymore).

        If you want to try and run Linux, then WINE should barely enter the conversation. What you really have to deal with is running applications that are available for Linux. I think we agree on this point.

        Specifically about Photoshop functionality for Linux. For some things, rather than GIMP you can use Krita, which does offer 16 bit per pixel color. It can be a pretty good solution for computer raster based illustration applications. It's not as good for photography. Since I am an amateur photographer I am anxiously awaiting the release of GIMP that includes 16 bit color. For the moment, though, I do most necessary operations with Darktable (which is a really excellent program that is hard to find a good substitute for in Windows; Lightroom is similar and has its advantages and disadvantages, but of course has a significant cost). I only use GIMP for a few touch up operations that aren't practical with Darktable. Photoshop CS2 runs OK in WINE, but I don't like Photoshop's select tool very much (I'm used to GIMP's).

      • Peter J says:

        I've seen Darktabe results and those were in Lightroom territory. I was also impressed by Rawtherapee, although its drop-down menus are counter-intuitive. Still I wouldn't hesitate to use it, if just for the optional film simulations. If anything, I'm beginning to see that Linux does provide sane photography tools after all...

      • satrain18 says:

        Krita is a alternative for Corel Painter, NOT Photoshop.

      • Charlie Whitman says:

        I believe I said what you are getting at. That is, Krita is a raster art program (I said "raster based illustration"), not a photo retouching program. However, what is Adobe's raster art program? Answer: It is Photoshop. Photoshop is supposed to be suitable to either purpose, raster art or photo retouching. I do think it's much better for photo retouching, but it's also the only product Adobe sells for raster art (Illustrator is for vector art, like Corel Draw or Inkscape).

      • OregonCoaster says:

        Most folks these days don't want to spend $450 on a computer and then blow $6-800 on an office suite and Photoshop. They're just as content to use freeware that works fine for them. They can get and install good quality freeware onto Windows but compared to installing it on Linux it is annoying.

        That's not you but it is a far greater proportion of folks than you imply. WINE is only a solution for applications that WINE supports well. VirtualBox and Win4Lin before that were ways I used Windows programs without exposing Windows to the dangers of the Internet. Works fine for me to run a few things in a VirtualBox window of XP or Win2K.

      • ray says:

        Actually I just noticed with Linux Mint the program count is more like 70,999 FREE software packages. That's after the FREE OS itself. Now really, if you can't find a "good" program in that number then that's a little much to follow. My use of a satirical term reflects less on my expertise than my use of Linux since about 1999. So be it.

      • LamiaLove says:

        Winblows... Come on... FFS, this thread is full of kiddies...

  75. Ambrose Li says:

    I’ll have to see how it deals with non-Latin languages (Chinese specifically) to say if it finally “nails the coffin” (i.e., provides a superior experience when you’re trying to type Chinese).

    For me I’d say the nail in the coffin isn’t Windows 10 or MacOS X per se, but Adobe CS/CC and Microsoft Word. I use the operating system I hate only because software that’s required to do work properly isn’t available on Linux. Typing Chinese on Windows is a torturous experience (the font is too small); on MacOS X it’s somewhat better but still very unpleasant (your cursor can jump to random places for no reason so you can end up with random typos for no fault of your own).

  76. TROLL says:

    There are more than 100 different Linux OS but Im sure use them less than 100 peoples all together.
    Dont forget they are Gurus and ables to use kind of 3-4 ones at same time.
    And maybe they are living in same underground room at South Pole.

    • I am one of those "less than 100" that use it. There are far more than that.

      • LamiaLove says:

        What is wrong with you?! How can you give such bland and ridiculously boring answers to so many people?! Are you a child?

      • Nothing is wrong with me, but what the heck is wrong with you telling people what to say and do, or how to type or give what kind of answers?

        Just don't tell somebody how to speak or try and run their life. We all have freedom, and so do you, unless you are one of those authoritarian types...

      • LamiaLove says:

        =)) Oh, my god, this comment is just as boring as the others... :))

  77. Hecc-MA says:

    Not dead, but marginal forever. This latest move ensures Linux will never ever make a big splash on desktop, and it's just another nail more, not the final. MS still will nail some more in the future.

    If Linux couldn't do anythin against Win95, ME, Vista and 8, it's because it stands no chance at all.

  78. soggybiscuit says:

    just like pcs and desktops were declared dead

    • Hecc-MA says:

      PCs and Desktops have been dominant for many years, Linux hasn't.

      Hey, but cheer up, Linux is in Android, and it sucks, hopefully people never finds out it's based on Linux.

      • bjb1959 says:

        "hopefully people never finds out" ?? I take it from your horrible English/grammar that you are either not from the U.S. or a moron, maybe both. 85% of the Market uses Android phones and it does not suck you Apple Troll, it also runs 90% of all servers on the web, TV's, Car systems and the top 10 super computers, not apple, not microsoft, Linux. So Linux will be fine whether or not it ever "wins" the desktop.

      • Hecc-MA says:

        My cable decoder also uses Linux, it loses audio from time to time.

        Android is the Windows of the smartphone world, the only thing that keeps it bumping is the app ecosystem, which is vast.

        And customization too, the only two reasons I use it. Windows catching up fast in apps, needs a lil more customizing. Probably my next device will have Windows.

        Other than that Android needs too much RAM, too much CPU, it's hell of insecure, it's buggy, you rarely get updates, google is too intrusive and sort of imposing for my taste, currently with a Moto E, could be the last time I use something that runs Android.

        Apple is the one platform I hate enough to never try it, but I've dealt a bit with their products as there's always someone who has one.

        And yes I live in Mexico, my english ain't perfect, not my natural language nor my favourite either. But I do a much bigger effort in speaking it and get much better results you'd ever get speaking spanish.

      • Peter J says:

        Well said. That was a bloody ignorant comment by bjb1959. I'm also not from the US but I assure you my English is better than his.

      • LamiaLove says:

        Dunno about that... Native speakers do now some awesome curse words and curse phrases that most other speakers don't quite have access to. :))

      • Peter J says:

        I think I've run the swear gamut :)

      • LamiaLove says:

        :)) Cool, but, still, allow me to doubt that! For example I was very amused when I heard Wolverine (I think) in the cartoon series saying "you egg-suckin' piece of trash". Would have never thought about that. :)) Never heard it anywhere else, either.

      • Peter J says:

        Are you even aware that English wasn't 'invented' in the United States? It started as a Germanic tongue and then evolved into the language we know today – in England!

      • ray says:

        I for one prefer android over IOS. Windows phone?? Where is it? Android free apps vs IOS free apps?

  79. 12John34 says:

    Someone buries objectivity here. Can you spot the person's picture in this page?

  80. Peter J says:

    I implore this of the Linux Foundation: create a canonical Linux distribution based on your own published standards that would meet the minimal requirements of a long-term supported kernel, LSB-defined utilities, a C library and compiler that would remain frozen for a minimum of two to three years. That way anyone can build off your distro while retaining compatibility and stability. You could also release non-LTS distro bases for the adventurous, but the key here is treating Linux like a stack of software as opposed to just a kernel. And let's face it, that's the way most people see it is as a system. No one wants isolated critical parts (just see how Apple found success by putting a bunch of free stuff together but made it their own). Compatibility and long-term support from the source of All Things Linux are two hurdles not yet overcome, and they are a must if wider acceptance is ever going to happen.

  81. Michał Kudela says:

    Microsoft is know to publish a good os after bad os, and vice versa. Windows 10 will be good, as it goes after a rather bad system. However, take a look at the numbers. A fev years ago we had like 1.3-1.5% shere. Now we have 1.7% (some sides claim even over 5%, but take it with a pinch of salt). That is quite huge growth. Partly thanks for MS failures. And we don't know how Windows 11 (or 12?) will look like. Perhaps it'll be shit, and Linux will have 150% of what we have now then.

    • Windows 6 (vista), 7 (6.1), 8 (6.2), 8.1 (6.3) and now 10 (6.4) with subscription-based scheme? No thanks, i'll stick to linux mint. :)

      • Peter J says:

        I don't think that Windows 10 will be subscription based. My understanding is that once you buy it, you've bought it – no different from Windows 8.1 licensing. It'll also be a free upgrade for users of Windows 7 and up, so long as they take advantage of the free deal within one year of 10 being officially released (no date on that yet).
        The problem with Windows 10 I'm hearing is a builtin keylogger code-named Asimov present in the previews, and seamless Cloud integration (re: a new host of vulnerabilities). An app kill-switch is already present in Windows since 8.
        It amazes me what so many are willing to accept for convenience sake. They're putting PRISM spyware into people's operating systems and charging them a premium to buy it! Microsoft, Google and Apple want control of their customers' computers, programs and personal data, and people not only give it to them, but they stand in line and pay to have it taken away!

      • Wikipedia article says different about it not being a subscription, fact is, it will be, as software as a service. :/

      • Peter J says:

        I stand corrected. By that article it does appear as if Microsoft will be making Windows 10 something along the lines of software as a service... Sort of like a rolling distro, but with toll booths along the way. More than enough reason to steer clear of Windows 10 -- as if the NSA hacks weren't already. Thanks for the info, Rooty.

      • Your welcome. May the free software foundation continue to fight for our freedoms to use any operating system (free of microsoft's grasp) we wish.

      • barely_normal says:

        More than the spyware, it will make installs a true PITA, as there apparently is no one left at Microsoft who has a clue how time saving Service Packages are. As a matter of fact, if you do a lot of installs as I do, you've no doubt noticed that Windows 7 SP1, which used to be AT LEAST 700MB, is now just a few MB, with many of the things you used to be able to download in that package coming down as part of over 250 updates to this point in time. On a 50Mb symmetrical pipe, I spent over 6 hours two days ago getting a machine up with those updates which had to be wiped clean, due to being FUBAR. To bring the machine up to snuff for the significant other (who is nit-picky and snivels a lot) took the better part of 24 hours. Now this is a highly configured machine, but most users have the same thing, if they use their machines at all...

        If there TRULY are going to be meteoric changes to Windows 10, the idea of Service Packages will make more sense than anyone at Microsoft seems to have, as I don't think anyone wants to be waiting a week (or more) for their machine to get back to where it once was. Again, I don't think everyone realizes that not everyone has high speed internet access.

  82. MyDisqussion says:

    Linux *never* had a prayer of ruling the desktop. That will remain the domain of Microsoft, even if Windows X turns into windows Zzzzz.

    Where is Linux leading? Just about everywhere else. Cars, phones (except the 3% Windows Phone), home security, smart TVs, all things where the user only sees the UI. They don't know how to manage Linux, which is why Windows forms the lowest common denominator of the desktop.

    Linux fans, give up on the desktop. Silently delete all of those posts from your facebook. Celebrate where Linux is king.

    Me? I've had Fedora on the desktop since F11.

    • Peter J says:

      I think it's entirely unrealistic (not to mention unnecessary) for some Linux OS to take the majority of desktops. But as a new Linux adopter, I would like to see just enough so that companies take it seriously and make commerical softwares to complement the free offerings. But things are really going to have to change before that comes true. How can one distro, no matter how well-funded (none are), possibly maintain an OS and repos of some 30,000 additional and extraneous packages. The thought of it makes me dizzy.

  83. Shane Ashby says:

    Not so sure it's dead. If Ubuntu Touch continues with releases and his mainstream, could make huge inroads in "mobile" sector, which is what most people note use, even at home. People are less resistant in the mobile space. I'm about to install on my 70 year old mother in law's pc, as she's tired of viruses and now willing to try. Major distros have better installers than ever today, and better driver support than ever. I think we'll continue to see penetration, slow at times, faster at others, but incremental. In mobile, if Ubuntu Touch goes mainstream, could see dramatic growth.

    Perhaps general diversity in computing today is lowering resistance to Linux - maybe it was never about Windows 8 at all...

    Time will tell.

    • JasonJoyner says:

      Microsoft is having problems in the mobile space, meaning any Linux attempt is DOA. It's too late for any new entries to make significant progress in that market.

  84. As a GNU/Linux Mint user (which is based on Ubuntu/debian), who used to use windows full time, I think this article is a desperate attempt put out by microsoft (or paid trolls?) to promote their product (Windows 10 aka 6.4, check the wikipedia article if you don't believe me) that's subscription based. It used to be a one time cost, now it'll really be more.

    What drove me away from microsoft's software, is the fact that it uses deception, to tell people their software is not legitimate if installed on more than one machine (or via multiple clean installs), malware (most will just click to download/install anything without thinking twice, mainly due to social engineering), it's designed to break down depending on the usage pattern of each individual, and if they don't understand how to fix it, most will be deceived into buying a new machine or throwing theirs out (this is a bad trend!), or paying someone at the shop to repair or clean install the operating system. I decided that I would relieve myself of microsoft's software when I got used to trying out free open source software.

    Somebody told me about Ubuntu a number of years back, and I have not looked back since that time. I have since after 12.04, transitioned to Linux Mint, and it has been one of the best experiences ever. I have everything I need (they're listed below) that comes with it in the existing repositories, I could easily add more if I preferred to (I chose to add a few, since the audio/sound recorder is missing) and I don't need to depend on a friggin "product key" either, or to purchase it, much less buying new hardware each time a new release is issued (unlike windows, if it's missing a feature in the hardware such as XD support, it WILL NOT run.) I just upgrade it, simple. The other thing is, I have no such 'hacking, coding or programming' skills what-so-ever. The common stereotype is 'only hackers use linux', not true at all.

    Great uses include: Video editing (lightworks, kdenlive), video capture
    (cheese and kdenlive via firewire), skype (OH YES! it works fine too),
    web surfing (so many options!), FTP, SSH (never used it lol), IRC,
    e-mail clients, office suites (libre/office, kofflce, etc.), a slew of
    window managers (Xfce (easy to use), gnome/shell, unity, cinnamon
    (easiest to use for beginners), MATE/gnone 2, GTK, openbox, etc.), audio
    recording (audacity comes to mind) and lots of games (WINE in
    particular, allows you to run some windows games that are compatible).
    There's a steam client too (I don't play steam though). Did I not mention it has VLC player and a
    CD/DVD/Bluray burning suite?

    To each their own in my opinion, GNU/Linux is FAR FAR AWAY from dying or being nailed to the road.

  85. Chad Harris says:

    YET another Fine FUD campaign by an obvious M$ Fan Boy. Move along nothing exciting to see here except some wasted electricity and cycles.

  86. roadapathy says:

    Will Microsoft devs nail the coffin shut using stolen features from Linux? Because that's always fun. I love seeing features in Linux first and then years later seeing it in Windows except with a slower, more bloated manner. Windows is really annoying. Slow, not stable and it costs money at every turn. It can't even be finely tuned like Linux. I sometimes compile my apps to run on my specific hardware or include some incredible feature. Whatever. Desktop is the ONLY place where Linux does not dominate and that's probably because people aren't brave enough to use it.

  87. pihentagyu says:

    From the headline, one might think Windows had gone open source. It hasn't. Back to work.

  88. Eddie O'Connor says:

    I have been using Linux since F12, and I have installed and tried almost all of the distros out there....from the mainstream and well-liked (Ubuntu, Linux Mint, Debian,) to the obscure and not well known (PinGuy, Vector, SliTaz) and I can say that for all my years using Windows (and I have extensive experience with Windows since I'm an ex-Windows System Administrator!.....from Win3.1 right through to Windows 8!) I have not found a more easy and comprehensive OS than Linux, granted Windows does offer the masses the ability to "point-and-click" and have whatever they want done....done. But the masses don't realize the freedom they give up for this convenience. I have no illusions of Linux "taking over" the desktop market, because ...quite frankly...Linux doesn't need to! It's prevalent everywghere ELSE that MATTERS! And while there might not be a mojroity of desktops in corporate America that run Linux I can think iof a few companies I've contracted to that have made the move to Linux and have it installed not only on their desktops but in their server rooms and data-centers as well. Its because they don't publicize this info that this fact is not well known...and coming from a business perspective why WOULD they broadcast that fact? they want to maintain an edge over their competition, so using software that comes with no fees, and which can be maintained and serviced in-house is a huge benefit for them! To go and advertise this fact would mean others might get "curious" and might make the move themselves...there's really only two camps when it comes to F.O.S.S. and "The other guys"...its either you love it or you hate it. I've been loving it for quite some time...and it's gotten nothing but better as the years have passed....I can't really say the same for Windows...since I stopped using it after installing Fedora......

  89. This article is the last nail in the coffin for objective jurnalism.

  90. bdkennedy says:

    It will die eventually, like OS/2, DOS, Windows 9x and BeOS.

    • barely_normal says:

      Strangely, since the inception of Linux was 1991, it has officially lasted longer than any of the choices you put forth.

      It will not die, even though it may not become mainstream - it will always be around to appease those willing to do the work to have something more amenable to their wishes and needs.

      In the commercial sense, Unix was never "mainstream" but it has not died, and Microsoft continues to borrow from it, and other OSs which have been around a long time.

      Perhaps someone at Microsoft will pull their head out, and decide that Metro UI is pew-ey, and remake something like Compiz for Windows.

      • LamiaLove says:

        "those willing to do the work to have something more amenable to their wishes and needs." reads "cheapasses and scientists" and definitely not "regular people who need to get some regular work/play done and get on with their regular lives".

  91. Neel Gupta says:

    Here's how I read the headline:
    "Windows 10 is the final nail in the coffin, in favour of the Linux desktop"

    (Microsoft's coffin)

  92. sounder says:


  93. Motley Blogger says:


  94. barely_normal says:

    The author used to be good for comic relief, but shows now that he is simply delusional with the title of this piece.

  95. BoltmanLives says:

    I'm a huge Window guy and I'm looking forward to the new modern looking Linux desktops. I may install one on one of my computers just to play with...I have nothing against Linux and its a great robust OS (Unix in C) BUT they are too fragmented just like Android themselves and will never likely be a player in the Desktop OS market..its a geek product and when you un-geek it you may get a whappong maybe 4% share like Apple did with their version of BSD.

    I agree with the author if there ever was a time for Linux to rise it was over the past several years when Windows 8 got hammered in the opinion of so many... now that time has passed its a Windows Desktop World for now and likely your lifetime.

    Linux share will not increase it will most certain decrease same with OSX

    Dead no ..dying yes.

  96. Mary Web.. says:

    Ok one, anyone can search this and find Linux is not even close to death is growing stronger lol and how could anyone miss this yet.. I forgot what site I'm on. Its like he woke up and said.. just gonna take a guess at this.

    So this "nail in the coffin" in his view is based on one word "WILL".. that's it. Does not compare nothing..just ..will..oh and its not out yet..but it ..WILL haha I can hear Microsoft now "please dont say our name"..

    • LamiaLove says:

      Why don't you provide us with some links that you found searching like anyone and which support your claims, since anyone can search this and stuff?...

  97. robertzaccour says:

    Linux had the highest market share for preinstalled PCs last year. Yep, Chromebooks outsold everything else. Chrome OS is Gentoo-based. And for the most part it makes no difference whether or not Linux has a big chunk of the desktop market. It's got excellent community support as it is.

  98. Some Guy says:

    This is just a click though article.

    LINUX IS DEAD.... Uh, no its not...
    WINDOWS KILLED IT!.... Uh, no it didn't. Linux is still heavily used in virtualization- much more then any windows based system is- What about world governments? What about web servers?

    So, what this author- Brian Somewhonobody, was trying to say is- his nexts NSA burdened averageguy box will be another PC. Better value? Whats a Windows license cost? Oh thats right- exactly whatever its price-tag is more than the Linux competitor.

    • Hecc-MA says:

      Windows value still higher, even with license.

      • ray says:

        Based on?

      • Hecc-MA says:

        Right now Windows is in much better shape than it ever was, and much better than Linux in this moment.

        Like it or not, Windows is in its momentum, something Linux will never see.

        Unless you want to consider Android, which steps on every Linux principle and it's insecure and buggy, too bad to be representing the free software landscape. Luckyli for you people don't know Linux is there.

      • LamiaLove says:

        :)) Stallman wouldn't touch an Android device with a ten foot stick. :))

      • Hecc-MA says:

        It's more reliable for the final user.

      • Freedom says:

        Huh? Reliable? Everytime I download something my virus scanner kicks in and the Windows machine comes to a grinding halt. Installations take about 10 times longer (at least). Boot up time on Windows is 10 times longer. It runs like a drunk man. My macbook runs up to 8 hours, crisp, fast clean, slick.

      • Peter Webb says:

        My PC running Windows 8 boots in 16 seconds. My identically configured Mac takes 22 boot OSX. If your PC is taking 10 times longer to boot than a Mac, when a PC should boot appreciably faster than a Mac, its because you have somehow stuffed up your config. If its taking 10 times longer to boot than a Mac as you say (that's 220 seconds, or almost 4 minutes) then you have *seriously* stuffed up your config.

      • LamiaLove says:

        But but but... free software is so... libre... Why not install it all, experimental or not?

      • Hecc-MA says:

        Pffff... my AV almost never kicks in and my PC almost never halts.

        About boot time, what can I say? 14 years ago MS introduced a hibernate and suspend option, not so hard to enable and use.

      • I find that quite biased. The distribution of Linux Mint i'm using is very reliable on the hardware has been installed on, come to think about it, it runs much better than windows 6.3 (aka windows 8.1).

      • Freedom says:

        I run Windows in a Virtual Machine on my Mac. It runs much better on that virtual machine than it does on a real PC. I only use Windows when I have no other choice: basically for my CAD program and Visual Studio. Using a Mac is like driving a sports car. Using Windows is like driving a go-cart which has been upgraded to a tractor.

      • Peter Webb says:

        Funny, I have a have a Core i7 PC running Windows 8 and a virtually identical i7 Mac. Windows boots faster than the Mac and closes down faster then the Mac. Just about everything is faster on the Windows box. If your Windows is slower than your Mac, and Windows runs faster on your Mac than natively, then you have stuffed up your Windows configuration somehow.

      • Hecc-MA says:

        And better than Mac OSX itself on that machine, it's tested, google it.

  99. mancub says:

    Well I got news for you Ubuntu is the o s for china not Microsoft thast a 100,0000,0000 comps alone plus the rest of the world oh the nerd that said Linux is dead ,scrawl under your Microsoft box moroon

    • Peter J says:

      Is that 10,0000,0000 supposed to be 1 billion or something like that? What is that anyway? Also, I would avoid mentioning the Chinese Government (or the US Government, for that matter) when trying to evangalize something that has 'freedom' attached to it. "Power-hungry beaurocrat" is something I'm assuming most users aren't aspiring to.

    • Adam Smith says:

      A long time ago, two simple words spelt the demise of Linux as a mainstream desktop OS (and my definition of mainstream means at least 20% of the desktop OS marketshare)
      "Hardware compatibility" (having all your companies printers, scanners, USB external drives, USB modems etc etc working concurrently on Linux)

      • Well, just about everything works these days, except a few printer/scanner manufacturers who remain extremely anti-open source and draconian (lexmark, dell are two of them). I will not buy. Those products (printers or scanners). Brother however is moving to more open standards.

      • sola says:

        Yep, Brother and HP are the best bet for Linux-compatible printing.

      • muzikjock says:

        i already do this in ubuntu. plug and play, right out of the you have to have a driver cd here, a driver cd for that, and a driver cd for everything you want working. not so "plug and play" as you think...ubuntu just made everything work out of the box . wireless, graphic drivers, usb, printers (i use h/p), there isn't much i connect to my computer that doesn't work. i just don't understand your problem with linux...and you guys sport yourselves as I.T. guys? i am not. which puts me behind the curve more than you software geniuses.... i wish you would stop this linux pounding if you dont like it, dont use it. first of all, linux is not an o/ is a kernel. there are many linux based o/s's out there for anyone's needs ...if you like to tinker, there is one for you, if you like everything to "just work out of the box", there is one for you. to be honest, without being an I.T. genius, i prefer a linux based o/s over windows. and i find that to be ok. you like windows ? fine...i am ok with that...but stop the war! .

      • muzikjock says:

        btw...i am currently using ubuntu 14.04LTS on a laptop that used to house windows vista. it is connected to my 32 inch flat screen tv via HDMI cable and i use a wireless keyboard and mouse in the comfort of my recliner....i did not have to install any drivers or reconfigure anything to make this work flawlessly (although i did have to switch the audio output of pulse audio server to hdmi output from the laptop speaker output. that is easy enough) ....while i am on my laptop, i can ssh into my desktop computer and access all my video and audio files and play them on my ubuntu laptop machine....the 32 inch tv is then connected to my surround sound in my living room .. it is a really wonderful set up....i have no need for windows.

      • Dogma Hunter says:

        " already do this in Ubuntu. plug and play, right out of the you have to have a driver cd here, a driver cd for that, and a driver cd for everything you want working."


        Was the last windows you used windos 98 by any chance?

        "you like windows ? fine...i am ok with that...but stop the war!"
        You know, these words don't have much meaning if they are preceded by an irrational rant about windows.

      • muzikjock says:

        they are not irrational. they are truthful. besides i dont really care. if you like windows, fine.

      • Bert Novilla says:

        So, you're using your incompetent girlfriend as evidence?!?

      • muzikjock says:

        i usually ignore trolls. but i couldn't pass up the opportunity to point out that you crying babies who complain about Linux being too hard to configure to be useful...but you want to attack someone using windows....i'll be laughing at your comment for months....thanks for the laugh! LOL!

      • muzikjock says:

        just go back to your windows and don't worry about my girl friend...i got her covered...... you're avoiding why Linux is too hard for you while defending windows.... and using my girlfriend as a cover for your own incompetence she's got nothing to do with you whining about how hard it is to get Linux to work for you....this is epic ! thanks for the laugh LOL

      • Bert Novilla says:

        *big grin* (from both of us)

  100. Hecc-MA says:

    All the click bait conspiranoids, you're the very proof it works. So stop it.

  101. easson says:

    I wasn't aware that the Linux desktop needed a final nail in its coffin.
    I thought it had died and been buried 15 or so years ago.

  102. ja_1410 says:

    Windows is migrating towards service with "cable" monthly fee. The Metro interface which is closed walled garden suppose to be the future of this OS with all development devoted mainly to it these days. If you like your cable monthly bill, then you are future Windows customer.

    • BoltmanLives says:

      Not a subscription nice try

    • Hell no! I'm sticking with FOSSOS (free open source software operating systems), not going to be paying a monthly fee to microshaft at all. Even if I pay for cable (and get it free via other means), i'm not going to be a microsoft customer. :)

    • Robert Lindabury says:

      Yet another reply from a MS/WIndows hater who is horribly ill-informed. Maybe you should check your erroneous facts prior to spewing rubbish.

    • Charlie Whitman says:

      Microsoft may continue to change their subscription model to include the operating system and upgrades as part of your monthly plan for anyone who cares to subscribe to Microsoft software. However, I don't think they are quite ready to concede the section of the market that they will lose if they offer Windows only on a subscription basis.

      The only thing that really supports this idea is what they have done with Office. I admit that at the moment it looks as though Microsoft is conceding the part of the Office market that doesn't want to pay a subscription. However, there are a couple of factors that make this different.

      One thing is that Microsoft Office carried its own rather hefty price tag, which generally wasn't absorbed into the price of new hardware. This has the effect that a subscription to Office seems like a better deal compared to the price of buying it than a subscription to the operating system compared to its purchase price. Also, a lot of non-enterprise users had already left Office behind for alternatives like free office suites and online documents such as Google Docs.

      It's also a clear delineation when you transition from a purchased version of Office to a subscription version. You know and agree to start using Office on a subscription basis when you sign up. However, when you buy a new computer (the only time the majority of users get a new operating system), you do not expect the operating system to expire and for you to start having to make payments on it. What is Microsoft going to do in that case? Are they going to make the operating system stop working? Can you imagine the backlash? Are they going to cut off system support (Microsoft updates)? That would be a PR nightmare, not to mention affecting the perception of security for the operating system as a whole.

      I just don't see Microsoft doing this for regular users any time soon.

      • ja_1410 says:

        Office still has competition. Microsoft cannot afford to switch completely to monthly fee. Rarely anyone in the market is paying "high price" for the Office anymore. Most people get "student" or "company" discounts. For example my full Professional 2013 Office copy fully legal costed me $10 thanks to my company discount. Existence of strong competition from Open Office forces Microsoft hand in this case.

        Adobe Photoshop has proven however that if there is no competition then the company happily switches to subscription model only and completely ignores customers outcry.

        That is a dream that currently got a hold within Microsoft walls. The whole WinRT new core code is designed to close Windows completely from independent developers. There is no legal side loading for guys like you and me for the Metro interface. You will be forced to buy any future software through Windows store and any developer for this interface will be forced to pay Microsoft for the privilege of selling his work. That is the reason why Microsoft is abandoning desktop interface. Win32 old code did not had those restrictions. This is plain and simple money grab from Microsoft. The Windows subscription model is the same attempt. Sure, they have to be careful. If they go hard, people will refuse to upgrade and will stay with their Windows 7 or XP forever. Microsoft is too smart for this. The process will be gradual. You are probably too young to remember how cable industry monopolized the market. In the dawn of cable industry the cable monthly fee was in the single digits per month and there were no commercials on cable TV. Over the air TV was strong and viable competitor that was preventing outrageous cable fees and cable content was truly competitive at decent prices. How things changed you can see on your cable monthly bill these days. If you don't buy premium channels like HBO etc, you have junk full of commercials like over the air used to be, except now you paying for this junk and privilege of watching commercials, whereas with over the air TV this was at least free.
        Windows position in the PC is much more monopolistic than Office is. Linux does not count as competition and never will, Apple is not far from doing the same money grab as Microsoft.

  103. Chris Tyler says:

    Actually, it's the *desktop* that's dead. Tablet, smartphone, media player, game console, and other form factors are for consuming information and content; the desktop is only used to create it (writing long documents such as books, heavy video editing, developing software, graphic design, etc - things that can't be done well on machines such as tablets due to horsepower, energy, and ergonomic constraints). Content creators consume easily 10x as much as they create, and often do that consumption on non-desktop systems. So the desktop space is shrinking; of what remains, some of the content creation domain is clearly Mac space (graphics designers), some of the low-end is being gobbled up by new platforms (Chromebooks).

    The high-volume space - tablets, smartphones, Rokus, Chromecasts, Chromebooks, consoles, and yes, increasingly vehicle entertainment systems - is a place where Windows is virtually absent (even if *both* users of Windows Phone like it!). In that high-volume space there is a lot of Linux (Android, embedded Linux, ChromeOS, FirefoxOS, Tizen), plus some iOS, and a smattering of other systems (QNX anyone?).

    The Linux desktop is dead, because the Desktop is dead.

    • Dude, the desktop computer is *far from dead*, as you cannot physically upgrade a laptop's parts as far as you can a computer in a tower. You cannot at alll upgrade a smartphone's internals at all. So the desktop will continue to live on forever, same for free open source software.

      • Chris Tyler says:

        Non-upgradability of non-desktop platforms is an issue, but hardly a reason that desktops will live on. I'm not saying that they will dissapear, but they will represent a smaller and smaller portion of the overall computing market.

        It will be interesting to see if things like Project Aria (upgradable, modular smartphone) ever really catch on.

    • BoltmanLives says:

      Desktop resurgence under Ten

    • Sali Baraka says:

      Before saying that's the desktop is dead, I would have a walk in a few offices and have a look at what they use to write documents, send e-mail, print invoices, etc
      Things such "let's have this meeting next week", "a document explaining some procedure" "an order to send to someone"
      There is *a lot* of people do things like this everyday. Don't think they are using a tablet.
      There is something more every day running on something else than Desktops, more and more contents fitting mobile devices.
      This doesn't mean desktop is dead

    • Peter J says:

      The goose ate her golden egg, then?

  104. Astrill Arnold Chitwa says:

    first things first, i know your doing this for the clicks but lets face it, your couldnt use the word "linux" in an effort to directly equate it to windows. They do the same things but have alot of differences, i would expect more from your article but only read 5 paragraphs to realise you know little about the needs of end users to actually have authority to discuss such a please shine your arrogance some more. shine on shine on

  105. Murray Chapman says:

    Here is an interesting oversight... I use Mac not Windows and there was no mention of the marketshare that Mac has or how it affects the uptake of Linux (or does anyone really care about it . . .). Microsoft Vista was rushed out to combat Mac and that totally bombed. From my perspective, users have a mentality and that usually will help them pair themselves with an OS of their choice. I'm a programmer / Creative. Mac OS is perfect for me and I know very few individuals that do creative work that prefer Windows or Linux. Linux sadly has no easy to use creative development pipelines. They can be created but nothing really out of the box. Tweak tweak tweak. Mac is Plug and Play. Windows is Plug and play (and then plug and play it a bit more until it plays properly).

    Linux happens to be my favorite OS even though I hardly touch it. The idea, the strength and the open source is how I wish it was. If I could use it instead of Mac, I would. It is something that gives the user real control. Mac and Windows cannot claim to do that as they are both closed source.

    As for Windows, people will use it (as I did for 10 years). They will marvel at the look and feel of version 10 for a day or two and then it will just be Windows (again).

    Life goes on.

    • cleek says:

      Microsoft Vista was rushed out to combat Mac and that totally bombed.

      it had 200,000,000 users. that's more than the number of iPads ever sold.

  106. vratrm says:

    How can I resist such naked troll bait! OK, so let's leave aside two most most popular OSs on the planet, Android and Chromebook OS, both of which do in fact run Linux and have a desktop.

    In this narrow case Linux has approximately 1.3% of the desktop market. Considering that world wide PC shipments in 2014 were aprox. 300 million lets call the total number of active GNU/Linux desktops 7 million. That is a huge user base. There are very few brands that have that many customers, and fewer yet whose customers interact with their product every day. As an example, the number of Porches sold last year was 160,000. It would be a stretch to claim that there are even 2 million on the road today, and unlike an expensive luxury toy, Linux is used by the best and brightest in technology to do real work. A traditional desktop Linux would be viable with only a fraction of that number of users.

    Yes, of course you can run Ruby, Python, and even Emacs on OSX and Windows. But even with Emacs it's a never ending fight to convince it that you're really running on Linux, and the same is true for practical every thing in the free software world. Package managers, GUI apps, configurations, simply work more robustly, and with more features on LInux. And if your a software programer you owe it to yourself and your career to run Linux. The way that you improve your breadth and scope as developer is by see other peoples code written in variety of languages and doing different tasks. Looking at a git repository is not enough, you have to be able to install, build, and examine it in operation. While theoretically it's possible for you to do that in OSX or Windows, you won't. You'll (finally) get your Java or Rails environment up and running and you'll leave it at that; installing build environments and sources for free software is too much of a headache. And if you're not already an expert you'll be in for a major amount of paint getting anything outside of your expertise to build and install.

    I certainly have my gripes about Desktop Linux. Though it's improved dramatically in the last 10 years it still has fundamental problems with things like interoperability of applications, application quality and from time to time even basic things like getting the hardware to work correctly. But for a certain set of serious users there's simply no other alternative and that set continues to grow year by year.

    • Dogma Hunter says:

      This article is about actual computers. You know... those things with large screens and precision input that people use to get stuff done.
      Not the small-screen companion devices you use to read websites, communicate and update your failbook status.

      Nobody I'm aware of threw away his/her desktop and/or laptop because he/she bought a galaxy s-whatever or some i-toy...
      Even my 15-year old niece that seems to be holding on to her phablet 27/4, bought a new laptop last month when the old vista one broke down.
      Last week during the windows 10 event, everybody in the audience had a laptop on their lap. Nobody was taking notes on tablets.
      Funnily enough, the front row was dominated by macbooks, most of which were running windows 7, lol.

      People buy less computers then when pc's were still new and hip, true. Not because less people use computers. Rather because the hype today is to buy a new phone every year instead of a new pc.
      Mobile is the fast evolving market today. PC's are a mature platform already. And unlike what you seem to be saying, while these devices overlap in some use cases, they do not compete with eachother.

      PC's can't be easily used to check failbook on the train.
      Phablets can't be used to easily get stuff done.

      Both have their place. I think pc's will go the way of the washing machine. Everybody has one and it's a given. The vast majority will continue to run windows, next will be mac and next will be all the rest, packed in a 1-2% share.
      Msft tries to get windows more into the mobile market by bluring the lines between mobile and "pc". Success or failure in doing that won't change anything about it's dominance over the pc industry.

    • CymraegWelsh says:

      "the number of Porches sold last year was 160,000"
      Where can I download my free Porsche 911 from Distrowatch?
      It is not for my desire of a luxury car, is that I feel such a fantastic platform car like the 911 deserves more users!

    • Interoperability? What interoperability? I work through Windows network since a long ago without any problem from Kubuntu.

      And to develop Java on Linux you don't have any difference with Windows or OS X, because the tools are the same and work the same. If you can develop with NetBeans on Windows but not on Linux, honestly, our aren't a true Java developer.

      I don't use Emacs for programming, I use NetBeans and Qt Creator. The myth of programmers on Linux we all use Emacs it just that, a myth.

    • JasonJoyner says:

      You lost me at Chrome OS being one of the most popular OSes on the planet. Now YOU'RE trolling. That's never been true.

  107. Mori_the_commoner says:

    Android is a Linux Distro, and it has many more users than the mobile OS of Windows.

    • Peter J says:

      Did you miss that part in the title that says "Desktop?" Until Android becomes a viable PC operating system your comparison stays irrelevant. Same with all the other "smart"phone discussion here.

  108. Hakan Gedek says:

    As desktop OS, I believe Windows is absolute..especially for people who are not from computer releated life...

  109. Freedom says:

    Windows is a bloated elephant. It runs like crap compared to Linux or Mac. How will that change with Windows 10?

    • that_guy says:

      Windows is bloated, Android is bloated. Whats the common denominator between these two? Large market share. It seems bloated is in, lean and streamlined is out.

    • JasonJoyner says:

      The thing is, all that bloat does things that the majority of people want. That bloat is why Windows has such a large marketshare. What you call bloat, most people call features.

      • damnitalready says:

        You speak like most people chose windows. They win on the reluctance of people to change anything they have, regardless of what's better. Windows comes on the PC, windows it is. And companies know this, it's why they spends so much money on desktop placement, or to be the default SE in a browser... People are reluctant to change

      • Peter J says:

        "Better" is a term so relative that it's best left out of polite conversation.

    • Peter J says:

      Phoronix shows Windows 8 as generally faster than OS X. Were you comparing using Windows 98?

  110. Sean says:

    I'll be honest - I tried Linux three times, but it couldn't do everything I wanted - I went back to Windows each time, easy as plug me in and be done with it...

    I simply can't be assed to get this piece of software to run flac, get his piece of software to show me a UI, get me x y and z to to AB and ABC.

    Which distro, which interface, linux killed itself by being everything to everyone but nothing to no-one.

    Simply put my life is hard enough, give me ONE OS, one look and that's what I want...that's what simpler people than I want.

    • Lauren Glenn says:

      I did the same thing also. I gave Linux a try and stopped about 10 years ago. The main reason was that I spent hours trying to do something that I could do in Windows within 10 minutes. And it's not a shot against Linux. If Linux is what you love, then go use it. I know it's in my Tivo (some fork of it) and it has its place in many devices. Even MS gave up on Home server since Linux does it cheaper anyway....... If Linux does ever get mainstream support, I imagine those who want that "Year of Linux" will be the first to shoot it down when it becomes mainstream. Community OS's are nice but if you can't make money from it and have to give away source code, why would any business use this as their primary deployment model for consumption? Isn't that how Microsoft rose to power in the first place?

      • Mark Hayden says:

        I gave Windows a try back when 3.1 came out and gave up, what with it's confusing "program manager" and separate "file manager" and crappy fake multitasking and having to close out and go into DOS to play games. I couldn't see the point waiting forever for it to boot when I could boot up my Amiga in 5 seconds and do what I wanted right away.

        Just a tip...if you start off talking about a subject by saying you were last invovled with that subject "x years ago" or "a while back" or "a long time ago" you pretty much have ruined your point.

  111. loimu says:

    >Microsoft is giving the people what they want, while improving it beyond their imaginations

    So, any chance of normal and working IPC in the near future?

  112. Snuffo Laughagus says:

    Nice attempt at trolling ... Er, I meant 'spurring debate' over a subject dead in the water and not even worth yawning about: Windows.

    The fact of the matter is, Windows' time in particular and Microsoft's in general, has long past and gone and there is simply nothing left to entice anyone to make an effort to even consider willingly 'upgrading'.

    Pretty much like the condition of our so-called 'democracy'.

    Windows is NOT about giving people what they want, it's about reluctantly giving back bit by bit what early users used to enjoy a long time ago and has been removed surreptitiously with every iteration after Windows 98: FREEDOM, and it's simply too little, too late.

    Using Microsoft products nowadays is about as exciting as living in Nazi Germany.

    Thanks, but NO, Thanks!

  113. Jamie Pietarinen says:

    This strategy frustrates me since MS will make their OS free for certain categories to stop competition and I think we're in the age where the desktop isn't that huge of a deal

    • JasonJoyner says:

      In case you haven't noticed, they are offering Windows 10 as an add on to the Office 365 subscriptions that enterprises already have for the same price as Office 365 and the management tools are already sold at. Basically, it's free. Ubuntu's convergence strategy won't ever work as well as Microsoft's with Windows 10.

    • Carlos TheCan says:

      Everyone that posts on these forums are incredibly bright. However, sometimes I see something like this post and it makes me wonder. "I use a Chromebook and it is so amazing (albeit very limited in functionality)" - whats the point? If it's "very limited", who cares. For those of us that use one machine for all tasks, as the article reads, MS is the undisputed king of the desktop. And, whats wrong with that. Apple gives away their OS, Linux dists are free and there are people here that are upset that MS wants to jump on that bandwagon. This is a business decision. For people like me, those that didn't jump on the Win8 train, I'm happy about this, I'll finally be able to have a cutting edge OS upgrade without shelling out $100 - thank you Microsoft!

      • Jamie Pietarinen says:

        Limited functionality doesn't mean a Chromebook can't fulfill an average user's needs. This is why their selling, secure and simple.

        I, personally, dislike MS because of their market practices that hinder competition. That is what I conclude when I read that they will give their product away for free. They will rob from peter to pay paul. Ain't nothin for free!

  114. Bill Leahy says:

    You summarized the problem right here: "A lot of work goes into Ubuntu, Fedora and others" You have one company working together to make Windows. You have a fractures universe of Linux developers all duplicating one another's efforts. "Oh, it's Tuesday! Let's create yet another distro for Linux." If they would all work together they might be able to produce something fantastic instead of something that isn't quite good enough."

  115. Byron says:

    Linux desktop isn't going to be dead. If you look at Microsofts new pricing model or having to rent their operating system for $7.95 a month, it becomes less attractive. This means a computer you keep for 4 years will cost 3 times what it costs today.

    Apple gives away their operating system and if anything this is going to lead to more Linux and Mac Desktop users.

    Microsoft has lost their direction.

    • Robert Lindabury says:

      Huh? Subscription based Windows is ENTERPRISE ONLY and it adds the OS to the already subscription based Office Suite and Enterprise Management system at basically the same price people were paying for those WITHOUT Windows thrown in. Check your facts before spewing.

      You don't want to face the fact that OSX and Linux hold a tiny share of the desktop. It's time to pull your head out of the sand.

      That being said, I own and run Linux boxes and OSX boxes. I enjoy all the OS's but let's not kid ourselves, MS is the undisputed king of the desktop.

  116. Before calling anything "dead" here let's just wait for SteamOS - IMO the only thing that is *worse* on Linux is the game support (and YES this is a major factor) - that's the only reason there still is a Win7 installation on my system (that does not get much use nowadays) - now why my work pc has only windows is another problem that will not go away this easily but give it a generation ;)

  117. Ingold Inglorion says:

    Ah yes,this reminds me of a certain Byte Magazine, 1993 cover: "IS UNIX DEAD?!?!?!?!" Because as we all know, Windows NT bulldozed and buried UNIX...right? Right? Why do I hear crickets?

  118. vidhan says:

    first of all linux and microsoft are enemies only that the way that make os are different and windows sucks to me :P

  119. Democide says:

    If you like NSA and GCHQ backdoors in your operating system then continue using Windows.

    • Peter J says:

      Hey those are all the rage with cool kids! People actually stand in line and pay to get Windows, MacOS X, just so they can own a few of those backdoors.
      Seriously, Apple, Microsoft and Google all have them. They wouldn't be allowed to do business in the US or EU if they didn't. Google likes to act as though they respect peoples rights, but they've been known to spill their customers' search histories to governments without any warrant (ahem, China). Not to mention they scan all your Gmail attachments and market your info. I can't imagine what Chrome is really made of.

      • Peter J says:

        Now it's not only China. Google just spilled the beans on how they sat on disclosing the NSA warrants against WikiLeaks. For three years they did.

  120. Keith says:

    I have no love for Windows. I make a good living using it and I don't think a day goes by I don't cuss a blue streak at it. I really don't see this Windows 10 revelation as bad news. Nor do I think, deserving or not, Linux should have a greater market share. Bigger market share means bigger target for the blackhats. I'm happy to let Windows walk point on that one.

    I love working in Linux when I get the chance. It feels safer, more stable. It is an OS built for techno-centrics by masters of their disciplines. That's why it does at least the one thing a dev like myself really wants: it makes my tasks easier because it all makes more sense.

    Are you going to worry that it isn't your Mom and Pop's OS? That is doesn't ship on everything leaving Best Buy? Don't bother. A true linux fan knows that we've accepted being on the fringe long ago. It's a badge we wear. I'm eternally grateful for the hard work that goes into Linux; my only regret is that I don't seem to have the time to contribute. Even if I did I think the kids doing it today are probably doing it better and faster than I ever could, and for that I thank you.

    market share... pffft

    • Peter J says:

      It's odd that you would associate the product you consume with honour, or other such fuzzy notions. Isn't that just another form of branding?

      • Keith says:

        I don't know. I don't think branding means to you what it does to me so I really couldn't say.

        I don't think it's odd at all to use a tool one doesn't like to make a living, while liking one used less frequently. Maybe the whole "credit where credit is due" is odd. If so, I am odd and I accept that.

        Is it "fuzzy" to express my appreciation for the tremendous amount of
        volunteer work that goes into LInux? Ok. Is that branding? If you like.
        I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, just sayin'.

        I like the niche linux is in and I don't think anything Windows does can
        really affect it. Market share isn't what it is about. I like the market
        share Windows has and think it's entirely fitting given how it behaves.
        That's all that I meant.

        The focus of the article is on the how Windows 10 might affect Linux. I tried to give reasons why I don't think it can. If by my comments I added to the DE-evolution of the discussion into the tired old Linux v Windows flame war, then I apologize. But I will take credit for being odd and fuzzy.

      • Peter J says:

        That's not what I was implying. I'm sure you have your reasons as I have mine. If I haven't expressed myself as I had intended, that was my fault. And I don't want to contribute to that dumb Windows v. Linux flamewar, either. My apologies.

    • BoltmanLives says:

      Linux is good on certain devices, lacks as a desktop os

      • Keith says:

        I could not agree more. In fact it's for the things not associated with desktop functions that I use Linux.

  121. Eric Espino says:

    Too many distros, too many desktop environments (including the forks of the forks of the forks.....), stupid controversies like the one about systemd, too many package manager, and ....

    You know what I´m talking about!!!!

  122. humanusa says:

    The only reason I am forced to use windows is my laptop Firmware is tied to Win8 and resists Ubuntu installation. Totally fed-up of Windows updates, unnecessary tasks, weird services and overheads, bloated OS.
    There is absolutely no control in Win 8, which is what Linux is about.

    • Tony R. says:

      ... not to mention the "Metro" interface that is so weird that it requires expert GUI users to learn to walk all over again. It's a total productivity killer.

      • Lauren Glenn says:

        Unless you install Start8.

      • Tony R. says:

        Yes, I'm aware of third-party fixes for Windows 7 and Windows 8, but they're like installing Firefox on Windows to get around Internet Explorer's problems. Microsoft should fix the interface usability problem or shouldn't knowingly create it in the first place.

  123. riclf says:

    Lets be REAL! If Windows 10 goes subscription, then this may well be "Year of the Linux Desktop".

    • Laz Laz says:

      Windows 10 isn't going subscription. If you upgrade within a year of release, you get it free.

      • Mark Hayden says:

        If you don't have Windows 7 or later (ie. you have XP or older or don't have Windows at all), you have to pay from day 1. If you wait over a year, or aren't eligible for the free upgrade, MSFT has not been clear on what you would have to pay.

        General consensus is that MSFT will not (yet) impose subscription based licensing on Windows 10 after the year is up but no official statement has been make by MSFT on the subject as of yet.

      • riclf says:

        I read it that way too, at first. Then on parsing and re-reading the announcement I came to the realization that they may be saying- the first year of use of free if you upgrade within that year. The second year ? well, we have not told you about that yet.

        Hence the alluding to a possible subscription model. I think it would kill them. I'm not anti-MS, or Pro... I use both Win and Mac machines daily and like them both.

    • Lauren Glenn says:

      Really? Do you really see novice computer users switching over to Linux just to save a few dollars a month?

      • Mark Hayden says:

        Yes, if they can do what they need for $0.

      • riclf says:

        No, I don't see novice computer users switching to Linux. But there are a lot of users who are not novices and a Win10 subscription might make them chuck-up and switch.

      • Charlie Whitman says:

        Actually, I see novice computer users sticking with their old systems to save a few dollars a month. When that no longer becomes practical, then I could easily picture them switching to Linux, depending on what other choices they have. That's why I don't see Microsoft switching to a subscription model all at once.

        For Microsoft to switch to a subscription model, they would have to do it gradually and in an enticing way. They would have to offer more than the operating system as an incentive. Even then, if they dropped a purchase based model for offering Windows it would still drive a lot of users to other systems in the long run. The only way I can see them forcing OS users to a subscription model is if they figured that was happening anyway. Of course, I would see diversity as a good thing.

    • darkstar says:

      If 10 goes subscription, then 7 from my cold dead hands.

  124. Eric Espino says:

    By the way, my frustration expressed in my previous post is because I love Linux. I have been using it in home for more than 3 years !!!

  125. Albert Gon says:

    I was happily using Ubuntu 13.x in my laptop, and when I upgraded to the 14.04 LTS, my wireless adapter stopped working, it no longer recognizes my Microsoft keyboard, I have to manually mount some partitions, etc.

    I would go back to an older version, but then I wouldn't be able to get any software updates, which was the reason I upgraded to 14.04 in the first place.

    So I am now looking to scrub that partition altogether and give Mint and elementaryOS (when Freya comes out) another shot, and if not, then bye bye Linux. I've been a Linux user since slackware first came out, and it saddens me that in order to get it to work, I still have to do a lot of manual tweaking and pick one out of a 100 distros.

    To paraphrase Apple, I want an OS that just works and, in turn, allows ME to work, instead of having to look for manual fixes for problems that were solved 20 years ago.

    • PmC says:

      Go with Windows then. Get the technical preview of 10, it's free and stable from what I can tell. I've thrown it on a bunch of random hardware and it seems to have drivers for everything. The installation takes around an hour on hardware from 2010 in my experience.

      • Mark Hayden says:

        Windows 10 is not free in the "libre" sense. Furthermore Albert says he is a Linux user "since Slakware first came out"--as such he probably doesn't own a copy of Windows 7 or later (to get the Windows 10 preview upgrader from the website) and probably doesn't have an MSDN subscription either (to download the installer ISO), so Windows 10 isn't even free in the "gratis" sense for him either.

        I smell BS though...someone has been using Linux for something near 2 DECADES and he can't do "apt-get dist-upgrade" without breaking things like mount points and keyboards? Highly doubt it--it would have to be a REALLY oddball/messed up system way overdue for a clean wipe (what, have you not formated since Feisty Fawn or something?).

      • PmC says:

        I got the Technical Preview from this website:

        There was no subscription required, and it didn't appear to check my currently running OS. Ubuntu has made it easy enough to install that there are plenty of people who don't know their way around the terminal comfortably.

      • Mark Hayden says:

        Thanks that is good to impression was that the freely available installer, or at least its product key, required a previous version. That said, it would not be a permanent solution because technical previews expire when the final version is released. So without win7 or newer Albert would have to pay up or switch back to a Linux OS.

        I stll call BS though. Albert claims he started using Linux before Ubuntu existed, and talks about multiple filesystems/partitions and alternative linux OSes. Certainly he could type one line in a terminal. Besides that you can do a dist-upgrade with a single click with the synaptic GUI.

        If it is not BS, I think it is an oddball system, perhaps hardware that needs binary blobs or a desktop upgraded piecemeal over the years. It is a rare thing that a KEYBOARD wont work with linux, especially an upgrade where is worked before!

      • JasonJoyner says:

        The final RTM version requires Windows 7 or newer to be free. Otherwise you have to pay for it like normal.

      • Albert Gon says:

        The weird thing is GRUB recognizes the keyboard, but when I boot into linux it stops working.

      • Albert Gon says:

        No BS.

        I used slackware back in the day, then Red Hat Enterprise, then went on to work on HP-UX, then migrated to an all MS environment, and then I picked it up again when I needed to give extra-life to my ancient 7-year-old HP laptop. I used 12.04 for that and it works perfectly, I didn't need to even think of the install process, just resize my NTFS partition and that was it.

        However, I bought a new laptop (Toshiba Satellite P55-A5312) and when I first installed 12.04 I had the same issues (except wireless WAS working), but the alt-function keys never worked (brightness, volume, etc).

        I upgraded to 13.10 using a Live USB (using LinuxLive) and oh crap it wiped every partition (including the windows rescue), so I had to buy a Windows recovery USB from Toshiba (50 dollars for just the media and "processing"). My fault? Perhaps. I chose the wrong radio button during the install and clicked on next before realizing. But hey, no confirmation dialog that I am about to wipe everything? Mmm.

        So I reinstalled Windows, tried doing the dual-boot using UEFI, never got it to work correctly, so for dual boot I have to go into the BIOS and switch from UEFI to CSM. Anyway, I decided that was good enough as I could still see my windows partitions from Linux, but I still had a spotty wireless connection, but that too went away when I upgraded my kernel to 3.16.2 generic.

        But the new LTS release? I chose not to go with apt-get to upgrade, but instead again went with LiLi, 14.04 iso (mistake, I assume), chose to upgrade instead of a clean install, and that's when everything stopped working and I decided to take a break before going at it again. Heck, even running fsck gives me a scary message saying that my filesystem is mounted so it will kill it.

        My point is, shouldn't it get better and easier with each release? In my case, it got worse.

    • You will definitely need to clean install Ubuntu. I have had botched installs happen before and that is the only way. Sometimes things just stop working (should have a USB or PS/2 keyboard or mouse laying around in case) and then there's ways to get it working again.

  126. timaiday says:

    Google is in perfect position to make Linux Desktop (Chrome) popular.

    • Peter J says:

      Just like they did with WikiLeaks. Popular with the NSA.

    • Laz Laz says:

      I'm all for Linux gaining market share, just not google products. Google have changed from the "good guys" to about the worst when it comes to privacy and security.

  127. Richie Rich says:

    With all due respect, this is a rather ridiculous article. Final nail in the coffin? Linux never had a chance on the desktop to begin with. It was never even alive in this area, so how could it be dead?

    Microsoft’s Windows OS became the defacto stardard on desktops and laptops back in the early 90’s. Once that happened, no competing OS could realistically change that.

    Desktop computing is now considered a little “old school”. Sure, desktop and laptop computers are not going away anytime soon, but neither is MS Windows on the Desktop. Even Apple’s Mac OS only commands a very small share in this area.

    Tablets and smartphones (and now even fablets) are all the rage, and look at how irrelevant Microsoft is in this area. By far, the two most common OS’s in this area are:

    1. iOS - a scaled down version of Apple’s Mac OS used on all iPhones and iPads

    2. Android - a scaled down version of Linux used on just about all non-Apple smartphones and many tablets

    These two OS’s now dominate in an area that is becoming more relevant, and MS Windows dominates in an area becoming less relevant.

    Linux kicks Microsoft’s butt in virtually every other area of computing:

    1. Embedded devices

    2. Smart Phones

    3. Tablets

    4. Servers (especially web servers, mail servers, etc)

    In summary, when an OS becomes a defacto stardard in one area, and a whole ecosystem develops around it, it’s virtually impossible to change it. To think that Linux ever had a chance on the desktop is very naive.

    • Tony R. says:

      Tablets may be the rage, but sans keyboard and mouse or trackball, there are some things that just can't be done on a tablet or smartphone, such as professional image manipulation, technical drawing and software writing. Tablets and related devices are for computer users who never use more than 5% of the machines' capabilities. (Such users are also called "weenies" and "lusers", which rhymes with "losers".)

      • Mark Hayden says:

        There is a reason there are many more mobile computers in the world than desktops--not that they are cheaper (often they are not) and not just because they are portable (very portable notebook PCs do not outsell true mobiles).

        A really big reason for their growth is that 80% or more people out there are, as you put it, "lusers". Most people don't love computers--to most people they are an appliance, and they only sat a desk to use a desktop computer because that is what they had to do to go on the internet, do emails, write letters and so on.

        Now you can get a mobile computer, like a tablet or a smart "phone", and you don't need to sit at a desk to do it. Furthermore you can get a keyboard and mouse for those devices if you want to (I have an HTC One M7 and for kicks I paired it with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse--a mouse pointer appeared on the screen and the keyboard worked just fine!). My HTC has only a 5" screen, but a 10" tablet, well, why bother with a big old desktop computer or clunky laptop?

        All those things you mention are "professional" tasks. They are things you do for "work". Therefore if that is all you need a computer for then the computer will stay at work, on a desk. People go home to their families, and everyone at home all have their own little mobile computers--they just call them smartphones or tablets but they are today's personal computers. Then they watch a computer with a giant screen they call a "smart television" and so on.

        Desktops are not dead, and won't die any time soon, but they are really an old idea and are receding into a niche market. So, perhaps we shouldn't worry about Microsoft dominating a niche market--the vast majority of computers in the world today dont' run Microsoft anyways.

      • Tony R. says:

        In the 1980s, when PCs first appeared on the scene, few people had them — the engineers, the CAD designers and programmers. The vast majority of people who now use small portable devices weren't into computer use at all. The relative size of the desktop market may look smaller now compared to the total market, but it's hardly a "niche" market.

        Bluetooth is fine for a keyboard and mouse, but far too slow for a video monitor. Most smartphones and tablets, regardless of how powerful their processors are, don't have HDMI ports to plug in a high-definition monitor. You're never going to convince any engineer, CAD operator or programmer to work on a tiny portable device screen. Portable devices also have too little internal storage to make them useful for real work, other than banging out a few emails — and using "the cloud" via Wi-Fi is too slow to use it as mass storage on a computer.

  128. Peter J says:

    This just came out shows just why a more centralized form of governance is needed in the Linux world, where the left hand doesn't always see the right one:
    All software has bugs. Linux is no exception. Whether it's going to cause big problems isn't the issue; but it's why I'm in favour of Linux becoming a stack rather than just a kernel.

    • Mark Hayden says:

      Linux is a kernel and always will be just a kernel, and that is probably a wise thing. There are already a couple of "operating system stacks" based upon Linux. One being Android, the other being the original GNU.

      A centralized form of governance is probably a bad thing actually--central authority is the opposite of open, and those in that authority may have interests or influences that run counter to what is best for users. Maintaining a central authority would likely require compromising the freedom of the software.

      The problem is not so much with authority as much as it is about cooperation. Competing projects have to work to interoperate with each other, and users have to support and cooperate with developers. This doesn't require formal central governance--that is only one means of achieving that. The problems open software have had of late is that there is a lot of boring "plumbing" like shells and encryption that users took for granted and used and never bothered to support themselves, ether through funding or looking at the source code that was there for them to peruse all that time.

      No, the root problem is INVOLVEMENT. If you had "central governance" without large scale community involvement the problems would still not be spotted, and development would become "closed off" from users, and it would be just another microsoft-like entity.

      I don't know the best way to engage people I guess...perhaps the problem is that the personality traits of people like Linus Torvalds, Richard Stallman, Theo de Raadt etc. can help make sure things get done relatively will and quickly, but they are a bit too "anti-social" to attract users at large to be engaged in the process.

      • Peter J says:

        I think clearly the problem here is that various projects on which Linux absolutely depends see themselves as being in competition with one another (i.e. glibc, gcc, Gnome, KDE). It's reached a level bordering the far side of lunacy in extreme cases. And I really don't understand why I need the likes of Richard Stallman telling me what my software freedoms are; fact is, I can decide for myself, and his definition of freedom I can tell is quite different from my own. A loose form of central governance is the only way Linux can save itself from the chaos that has been plaguing its existence since the mid– 1990s, if what I read is correct.

      • Mark Hayden says:

        Not sure there is a problem with glibc, specifically, but yes in general that is a challenge. The protestations against systemd are a better example. Problem there is that most anti systemd people would rather stick with an old pile of turds than adopt a solution that is somehow against their unix philosophy, if that means anything any more. Why not cooperate or even compete, but in a way that can maintain interoperability? You could have a number of projects to implement systemd components at the API level but do text logging or are somehow more loosely coupled or whatever, but no...

        You dont need the likes of Stallman to tell you how to use your software, but a free software project probably needs a strong personality like that to keep development disciplined. That said, would you want the whole OS stack run by one RMS or a few liked minded of him? Seems distros and individual projects might need different personalities to succeed.

        Seems to me loose and cental contradict. Linux foundation is probably already what you describe, and there still seems to be a problem.

        As far as chaos goes itcseems to have worked well for Linux though. BSD has a history of more centalised management, yet there were breakaways that resulted in more disconnected forks (free, open, net, dragonfly...). Far less than number of Linux distros but less intermingling amongst the forks, and less overall uptake. Could be licensing differences that account for that too though.

      • Peter J says:

        I still think you can form a loose central government (for want of a better description) by having the Linux Foundation create a software stack as described above (userland/compiler/library/kernel). That way things will be much less confused than they are now, bug reports as regards critical pieces go to one place and a bunch of other boffo stuff I can't name right now. But follow that link I also provided above and read about the latest trouble with glibc, if you haven't already. It's not only that the bug went undetected for over 13 years, it's the messed up way in which bugs are handled in the first place. And I can't name a single Linux distro doesn't use glibc.

      • satrain18 says:

        Is it me, or is Mark Hayden a Linux fanboy?

  129. linuxnetbook says:

    I strongly doubt your aptitude to predict the future. As pointless as the question "is this the year of the Linux desktop" are clickbait articles like this one predicting the death of desktop Linux. Moreover, I wonder why there is no single mention of Chrome OS, which is pretty successful on laptops and built on top of the Linux kernel.

    • Laz Laz says:

      Unfortunately, Chrome OS is not remotely successful. It holds less than half a percent of laptop sales. And in an article about security, products by Google are the last thing I'd cite... Google care not about your security or privacy.

      • linuxnetbook says:

        Can you back your claim of "<.5%" with a reliable source? Also did you read a different article or how is this about security? But while we are at it, Windows and security are two concepts that don't go together well and regarding privacy, skype is probably the worst application one can think of.

      • Laz Laz says:

        Nice try. Yes - I can actually:

        "The company say visits from Chrome OS accounted for 0.2% of all US and Canada traffic to websites within its network between September 2013 and January 2014. This was up from 0.07% reported over a year ago."

        Regarding security - I meant the direction of the comments, rather than the actual article, but - I certainly don't and wouldn't trust Google with anything privacy or security related. Google have turned from the hero of the web to the evil Enterprise.

        Since Windows 7 - security in Windows has actually been pretty good - XP is the bane of the internet (but then, it was designed before the internet):

      • linuxnetbook says:

        A few thoughts on your data source. Data from an ad network misses out on people who use an ad blocker, arguably a tech savvy person is more likely to do so. Also you talked about laptop sales and your data source does not provide sales figures for laptops.

        The bigger issue I have, is that the numbers are a year old and in 2014 more Chromebooks were released than in 2011-2013 taken together, see this page

        Regarding actual sales figures, I think the best selling laptops on Amazon are a more reliable source than traffic to websites that embed ads of a particular network.

        That said, you can go back to September 2014 here and will see that Chromebooks have been pretty well represented in Amazon's top 100 since then, although there are a lot more Windows laptops being listed on Amazon than Chromebooks.

        Regarding privacy I agree that Google is not more trustworthy than other companies, which obviously includes Microsoft. Unfortunately, privacy seems to be a dying concept, at least when it comes to usage of electronic devices.

  130. Tony R. says:

    I can't speak for you, Brian Fagioli, but the Linux desktop works fine for me, and has been doing so for over five years. I used to be a 100% Microsoft user since MS-DOS appeared, but rarely resort to Windows programs of any kind anymore. As far as I'm concerned, the Linux desktop is alive and well.

  131. GS5 says:

    10 years ago I wished the Linux Desktop UI could have been more like A Windows. Now I wish the Windows Desktop UI could be more like Linux. When just look at the desktop user experience now, linux is so much better, cleaner, faster, more efficient and just works like it should to get from point A to B with minimal clicks.

    • Lauren Glenn says:

      Sure..... but then you want to download some game and can't get the preinstalled binary to compile? What's this cryptic error message that's full of debug data that no one who's not a programmer can use? It's not for the general masses. Sure the interface is cleaner and it works for you, but can I use my iPad with it? probably not. Can I buy a movie from Amazon and send it to my TV? If the answer is no, then there you go. It may be all nice and good, but it doesnt do what I need it to do and when I want it to do something else, it's such a chore to make it happen......

      • Mark Hayden says:

        Seriously have you been asleep for 10 or 15 years? Are you clueless? You don't compile "preinstalled binaries"--binaries are what you get AFTER you compile! Cryptic errors? I've not seen any lately unless I go into the log files. Do you know Windows has logs too? Look in Event viewer and tell me that isn't just as cryptic. I think you are just a troll who has never used Linux at all, or hasn't done a thing with it for over a decade. The comments you make suggest you are not a technical person at all, so perhaps you did try Linux for about 60 seconds in 1999 and got scared and gave up, and you thing nothing has changed in that time.

        I don't know about Amazon but I use Netflix with Linux all the time (and no, not with WINE or a virtual machine or any sort of hack--I just open Chrome and log in like anyone else). I have played music and video from the Linux computer to an iPad. It is just fine for playing media now.

        Admittedly Linux has had to play catch up but it has progressed a lot, especially since a Linux operating system (Android) run the vast majority of mobile computers in the world--that has meant capabilities of mobile devices (like Netflix compatibility) have found their way to Linux desktops as well. Really many, if not most, users would be server just fine without Windows. The single-digit market share of Windows on mobile computers (smartphones, tablets, etc) and embedded (in televisions, automobiles, etc) is not much different than Linux's share of the desktop market. Obviously you don't need to be Windows to be useful.

        It is not the ability or ease of use preventing success on the desktop--it is vendor lock-in/lock-out. To overcome that Linux OSes have to be FAR superior to Windows, but they are not. HOWEVER, they are just as good. Linux can be very friendly and usable but it hasn't got a killer app so fantastic as to overcome Windows lock-in on the desktop.

  132. Japanese Bull Fighter says:

    Chrome or Android might bring Linux to the desktop of the average punter. Mainstream Linux never will. I use both Ubuntu and Mint but more out of a sense of duty than because they are better than Windows 7. There is just too much that requires hand editing of text files or even recompiling the kernel. I'm not afraid of the command line. I first learned real UNIX on DEC PDP and VAX hardware in the 70s and 80s. I run a pseudo-linux environment under Windows 7 (msys). But, there is far too much (setting up a ftp server, samaba file sharing, etc.) that is simple under Windows but a royal pain in the ass under the popular Linux distos I use. And, in my case, I need Japanese. There is a disto of Ubuntu with Japanese ready to go. With Mint it has to be added by hand. And, with both, the Japanese language handling is inferior to Windows. Finally, the days when you might go for Linux because it was light weight compared to Windows are long gone. I run Windows 7 and Linux (Mint and Ubuntu) on the same hardware. Linux is not faster than Windows for most things and slower for some probably because of driver issues. As long as Linux zealots take a religious approach, Linux will not go mainstream.

    • You don't know if GNU/Linux will make it to the mainstream arena yet. Calling it Linux, is really just referring to the kernel. So you're saying that one small part isn't going to be used in anything in the future? Also, I find the linux being slower than windows to be skewed, it's much faster nowadays because many improvements were made. Run it on a pentium 4, it still boots within ten seconds. Applications start just as quickly. Try it on a dual or quad or more core machine, it runs like a Friggin Mac!

      • Japanese Bull Fighter says:

        I used "Linux" to refer to the two most popular distos - Mint and Ubuntu. I don't care how fast Linux boots. I do care about the speed of disk access, the speed of file transfers with ftp or samba, how smoothly high definition video is reproduced, etc. On the same hardware (dual core machines with 3 gHz processors and 4 gigs of memory), the Linux distos I mentioned are no faster than Windows 7 and slower for some things. Further, I am well aware that Chrome and Android are Linux/GNU based and are "mainstream." But, they are not for the desktop which is what the article is about and what Ubuntu and Mint are aimed at.

      • I guess it depends on what applications are used. Cinnamon (default desktop/window manager on Mint) can be resource-demanding, but so can Unity on Ubuntu (which Mint is based on), but if using xfce or something even lighter, it does speed up. considerably. I find rendering video (which if you switch to a TTY) can be done quicker, but for the average web surfer, they would be confused as to what I meant.

  133. Lauren Glenn says:

    But the problem isn't the price or the security, etc..... if I install Linux for my mom, it's more difficult for her to learn, the apps aren't there that she wants to use, and trying to walk her though installing something she does want is much more difficult than installing a binary Windows app. I still remember when Linux had its other (one of many) moments to shine and just couldn't get the numbers (and yes, I still remember considering buying Lindows)...... but like Steve Jobs said, he wasn't going to develop for it because he couldn't make any money from it. And that's really the problem. No one wants to buy it who's not savvy with computers and those of us who use computers don't want to teach them especially when these same people thought Windows 8 was too complicated. Think that's difficult? Try a command shell in Linux, mom.

    • Mark Hayden says:

      This is untrue. Windows 8 completely baffled my parents, so I set them up with a GNU?Linux operating system running the GNOME desktop. They found it easier to use than Windows 8 and even liked it better then the previous WinXP computer they used. Their needs are basic and typical and they have been able to install any applications they have needed from the Software Center without my assistance. It is similar to getting an app onto your smartphone. The only time it becomes difficult is when there is no application in the repositories in which Software Center looks.

      There are Linux OSes out there that are just as easy to use as a Mac. You are just trolling with outdated information about Linux. There are challenges/problems that it has to overcome to gain desktop market share but ease of use it not one of them.

    • You should research ubuntu, linux mint, fedora, including those based on ubuntu. Give a read. GNU/Linux has gotten that much easier to use since later desktop environments were crafted and perfected. I'll list a few I have used personally:

      - Cinnamon Desktop
      - Gnome 2, 3.
      - Gnome Shell
      - MATE
      - KDE Plasma Desktop.
      - LXDE
      - XFCE

      All of which have an Applications or Start/K/LX button to get to your installed applications. Pretty easy to use too.

  134. discolust says:

    I really disagree and I think this year will be different... and yet not boldly so. If Windows 10 will be free as an upgrade, then great. Everyone who wants Windows 10 will have it.

    But Valve is making gaming on Linux a very standard thing. That means AMD and NVIDIA and everyone else who cares about gaming are going to be making it all work on Linux.

    You're right to suggest that Windows 10 will make a big difference, but how is not entirely accurate. If it were easy for people to switch to Linux on the desktop, they would, but it actually takes initiative and a willingness to learn... or it did until everything ran in a web browser and tablet, like Microsoft Office.

    Microsoft may try to give users what they want, but it's that they don't know or hold themselves accountable to it until it's too late then backtrack that shows their weakness, and I admit it's not a glaring one since they have done that at least a couple of times with Vista and 8 and will again with 10.

    Linux on the desktop will become more and more popular and gain more and more momentum. And although I can't articulate how (I know that nobody can really predict the future), I really believe that this year Linux on the desktop will gain much more marketshare. I don't mean Chrome OS or Android. I mean that it will become so popular, even as dual-boots, that there's an actual shift in the direction of computing.

    Let there be fragmentation as initiated parties figure out what they want and how they'll work together. Linux on the desktop has broadened and will continue to broaden.

    And whatever Microsoft offers or tries to offer, Linux will have better people working with features that work better because someone actually thought to base it on something well-designed from the beginning, not something based on a rush job called MS-DOS.

    Linux on the desktop is never going away. It will only grow. And one day it will overwhelm the cancer that is Microsoft Windows and Linux will be all that's left. For those satisfied with their Linux distributions, this time has already come. I still have use for Windows 7, but not forever. In maybe 6 months or a year, I'll get myself a nice new MacBook Air, wipe it clean, and install Linux distributions until I find one I'm willing to settle on.

      • BoltmanLives says:

        No it doesn't ,what so hard to get?...Windows Desktop is a free upgrade first year.

      • Yes, free for the first YEAR, then it's a monthly cost. Sorry, but i'll stick to free software (GNU/Linux). We all know what happened to Linspire when that model failed.

      • Iain Simpson says:

        +there is no monthly cost for windows 10 after the first year of freedom, it will be the same upgrade path as before, no different than vista, 7 or 8.

    • Peter J says:

      Windows is not, I repeat: not, based on MS-DOS. All Windows releases since XP were based on the NT kernel, and absolutely no DOS dependencies of any kind are to be found there. None. Proof: Try booting any of Windows NT, 2000, XP, Vista, 7, 8, 8.1, or 10 into pure DOS mode. You can't 'cause it ain't there (you could with 95/98/ME by editing the MSDOS.SYS file). No DOS in NT–based kernels. Nada. Have you tried running a DOS window in any 64-bit version if Windows? Again, you can't 'cause there's none there – 64-bit command prompts are not DOS, they just look like it to the uninitiated. Ergo, you cannot natively run any MS-DOS programs in 64-bit Windows, either. In 32-bit Windows you have a Virtual DOS Machine (VDM) built into the OS so to execute most DOS programs in a window that is under full control of Windows executive. There is no more DOS in Windows.

      • discolust says:

        Oy. Microsoft did not simply start over when they introduced NT, did they? Those programs that ran under earlier versions of Windows ~ say Windows 98 ~ ran on NT, didn't they? It wasn't like OS X that needed a Classic Environment to run previous programs, was it?

        Did you read the entire sentence I wrote? How about this part? "... someone actually thought to base it on something well-designed from the beginning, not something based on a rush job called MS-DOS." Was that not explicit enough for you? Are your many words a reaction to my not adding "from the beginning" at the end of my sentence as well?

        "64-bit command prompts are not DOS, they just look like it to the uninitiated." It seems you may be suggesting I and those with your limited understanding of what I've said might mistake the command line for DOS because it shares a similar look and functions.

        I think there are many other functions and design points that have carried over from early Windows versions, which were rooted in a concern for DOS. I really know nothing about DLLs, for example, but I have looked it up and it seems they were originally made for high-level services while MS-DOS took care of the rest. And even though they seem to serve a similar purpose to EXEs, they remain in modern Windows. There's a term for the complications that arise with DLLs. I looked that up, too, because I've heard it before: DLL Hell.

        Your proof for why Windows is not DOS-based could also be applied (inaccurately) to programs running on Windows 8.1 that won't run on XP or Vista. By your logic, XP and Vista are so different that they're so dissimilar that they don't have the same history. They're fundamentally different. They're not based on the same operating system at all because of the changes made to the kernel... or the interface.

        "Ergo", huh? You use a latin word but your understanding of conventional, modern English leaves this much of a gap in what you've gotten out of what I've said?

        "There is no more DOS in Windows." You sure about that? Where did they get the idea for a command-line? Microsoft's first operating was Xenix, their version of Unix. Yet every version of Windows can trace its roots to MS-DOS, not Unix. And why? Because backwards compatibility has helped Microsoft remain dominant... and without it ~ that is, if Microsoft switched Windows so completely that it would need all-new programs ~ I'm not sure Microsoft would have anything... or anything more than it has in mobile.

        But you tell yourself whatever you want. You're right, but I didn't say anything to the contrary. Windows is based in MS-DOS, and until Microsoft creates an operating system that isn't merely an evolution of a layer on top of MS-DOS, they will always be linked to DOS, and not just aesthetically. By design.

        Try thinking for yourself. Unfortunately, I'm so bored I actually dignified your comment with a reply. My mind must be going... or something. I wish I could come up with better things to do with my time :-(

      • Peter J says:

        I fully understand everything you've said. When you do too, you'll agree that you're wrong on just about every point.

      • discolust says:

        Huhhhhhhh. I guess it's easier to act stupid when you're trolling. That way strong people who must practice compassion just to tolerate stupid people will reply to your soul-sucking responses. If you understood what I was saying so well, you would not have wasted my time.

        So many... rules... against treating you with the contempt I believe you deserve. I hope you're always on Windows. Always ;-)

      • Peter J says:

        Trolling begets trolling but that's no excuse for my getting into arguments with a passive-aggressive troll! All I did was point out your false proposition re Windows, but I did NOT call you names, I did NOT put down your choices. You did that to me. You started the name-calling. I did NOT reply in kind. The history of this thread proves that unequivocally. So nevermind your sudden invocation of the rules. Are you are delusional?!
        And when you write a treatise about how much better A is than B (yes, you said better), then someone will naturally point out a technical flaw in your argument if it's there. And if you evangalize A over B, someone might say no, I like C instead. It wasn't a personal put-down directed at you, just a matter of fact. You started the name calling, and I'm not even mad about that. Your last post just shows what your original intentions were. I hope you are stuck as a Linux developer. Always ;-)

      • discolust says:

        You ignored the meaning of my words, which you claim to understand, and gave me a prompt to respond to in what could only be put in condescending terms, since your own response suggested you had missed or ignored the meaning of my words.

        And you call me passive-aggressive? Whatever man :-p

        You do sound... limited. I don't think you really got it, what I said, that is.

        Linux is designed in such a way that it is not as limited and is better-prepared to do things competently because it was thought through decades earlier in the form of Unix and had already shown itself pretty good by the time GNU+Linux became reality.

        All you did in your initial response to my comment was suggest that Windows was not DOS and did not, in its current form, run DOS programs. I disagree that this means it is not based on MS-DOS, though. Your argument has more merit than suggesting the modern automobile is not really an internal combustion engine or based on the internal combustion engine because of how much computerized circuitry it takes to regulate its functions and its related functions, but not by much.

        As for name-calling, I simply find it simpler to tell it like it is rather than spelling out something that a thinking person who says they understand should understand. At the moment, I no longer think you're acting stupid. You either are stupid or you're doing such a convincing job that I myself fail to understand how anyone but a stupid person would waste so much time in such a witless fashion.

        Yes. I think Linux is better than Windows. I think many others do and they have their reasons, and I think there are intelligent people who could argue convincingly that Windows is better, at least or especially for their purposes. It could take some more thought and articulation from me than I'm willing to invest in someone who seems to be more trouble than he's worth, but I think Linux has greater _potential_ for running EVERYTHING better than Windows. But ~ BUT ~ Windows has a great advantage over Linux because they've been so popular, developers are used to coding for Windows, and driver-level support from companies like AMD and NVIDIA is still greater (and more profitable) on Windows than it is on Linux.

        I would like to see Linux become much more popular on the desktop because I believe the dynamic that would form would change everything for the better and Linux would be for the shared benefit of everyone instead of for the sake of Microsoft, which has made choices that were meant to be in its favour and against fair play or the interests of those it's trying to make money from. Vista and 8 are two easy examples of this, but Microsoft's tactics with Internet Explorer against Netscape were pretty low and it bugs me that Windows is still so buggy.

        I wish I lived in a world in which intelligence won out and unintelligent people lost... but then again, I kind of do and that's _WHY_ Windows has succeeded so much and a technically superior operating system like Linux hasn't. Smarter and perhaps less-kind people have taken advantage of those willing to pay for an operating system that will never live up to the potential of computers... because it's meant to keep them hooked rather than actually doing a better job.

        In this way, I have nothing against people using Windows 10. It promises to be a very usable system, despite any shortcomings, technical or otherwise, it might have. Linux can't claim to please everyone. It can, however, claim to run the world's stock exchanges and servers and have the support of Microsoft on its Azure servers, which is pretty good.

        I wish I knew how to code at all. I haven't taken the time to learn. But, ideally, if I were to make a difference to the world via programming, I'd like to do it on Linux and only on Linux. Not OS X. Not Windows.

        And you know what? If you didn't mean to be passive-aggressive, maybe you should just be a little more careful what you say or suggest. I doubt many will bother to read this exchange, but if they cared to, I'm sure reasonable people would realize what a waste of time it's been replying to your stupid reply. You overstated things in your first response possibly because I didn't dumb down my initial post to your level.

        Use your brain a little more. If you care to respond, care to think a bit about what's said. Strangers, reasonably speaking, shouldn't waste time on stupid stuff like this.

      • Peter J says:

        Okay I'm condescending but so are you. Fine. Glad that's out of the way.
        There's only one response your comments deserve but I wouldn't hide behind the Internet to say them to you. So you go on with your life and I with mine and we can just disagree on the entire matter. At this point it doesn't matter who wrong or right about anything and enough of my time has been wasted. I hope you find happiness.

      • satrain18 says:

        Is it me, or is discolust a Linux fanboy?

      • BoltmanLives says:

        He's a fanboy... The NT kernel is "New Technology 32/64-bit" it Is NOT based on DOS (16-bit).... DOS went away once Vista got rid of it in the install phase and they went with Windows PE imaging.

        Command line sure is a command Interperter shell so is Powershell but that is not DOS (DIsk OPERATING SYSTEM) so the Linux guy is way off base.

      • LamiaLove says:

        Fuck that! It gets even better: Linux has terminal windows that look like DOS. Linux must be based on DOS as well and they just changed the set of commands.

      • discolust says:

        That's cute. It's impossible that MS-DOS was really a quick and dirty version of Unix, developed in the 70's, eh? ;-)

      • Carroll MacDonald says:

        Windows is based on how many dollars they get take out of our pocket LamiaLove.

      • LamiaLove says:

        Obviously. That's what brings quality to a product: money.
        If regular people would spare a dollar for some Linux distro, maybe we would finally get a usable Linux. You know, one that doesn't make you want to bash your head against the desk and bash the monitor with a club because you don't know where you put your file. Was it mnt/omg/etc or was it sht/jhsgdf/bin/wtf?! FFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!
        Seriously, all you Linux users spare some change and pay someone (I suggest Ubuntu) to make a usable Linux.
        I don't care about the kernel. No average joe does. I care about how easy it is to manage my files, play a game, surf the web, yadda yadda yadda. Make my damn sound card work for a change!
        And make the fucking video card work! I use it FOR EVERYTHING.
        Fix your damn filesystem! Hide the shit normal people don't need, and do it by default! Who the fuck needs to see /dev/null?!?!
        Jesus Christ, learn something from Windows!
        And spare some change for the GUI. Make it not suck ass!
        Seriously, you communistoids gave up on the only good-looking UI: KDE. It looks like it was made for retards. And add some fucking shortcuts to the UI! So I don't have to mouse around for every tiny fucking thing!
        That's about as powerusery as a normal person will ever get. Give that to them!
        It's fucking frustrating how you people drag yourselves through this pile of shit you call the Linux desktop since 20 fucking years ago! I've been waiting for a decent Linux desktop distro since I ever heard about Linux. When exactly did you people just drop dead and gave up?
        Aren't you people ashamed of yourselves?!
        JUST ONE!!!
        Is that so fucking hard?! You have all this communist philosophy going for you. Why not actually apply it and THROW MONEY AT ONE LINUX DISTRO to make it decent?


      • Carroll MacDonald says:

        Actaully LamiaLove I'm a Microsoft Certified Professional Fed up with the Microsoft System train of Thought. Also A+ DOS and Hardware Certified as well.

      • Carroll MacDonald says:

        I'm qualified to work on all the Microsoft Crap.

      • Carroll MacDonald says:

        One other thing I've noticed is you Window's guys sure like to curse and swear a lot, but I guess that comes with running Windows as a main O/S.

      • LamiaLove says:

        Swearing comes with caring enough about your tools (enough to pay for it) and expressing your frustration with muddlers, like Linux people.
        DO you know when I don't swear? When I talk to kids and when I don't give a shit. If it were not for Linus, you would all be a bunch of pussies. Too bad Linus doesn't have the commercial eye as well; he would have had the balls to make Linux desktop usable.

      • Carroll MacDonald says:

        Ok, I see there is no sense trying to hold a conversation with this lad... Someone get this guy a shovel, his head is completely stuck in the sand. No need replying LamiaLove, you don't make enough sense for me to ever come back to leave you a response. For your tid bit of information, I'm a MCP, A+ DOS and Hardware Certified, I've been in the computer field since 1982... but you are still at kindergarten level.

      • LamiaLove says:

        Well, then, if you are so cool, why do you even feel the need to defend your shitty Linux?
        Maybe because it's shit, you prude. Linux desktop is a big stinking pile of shit and that's why you feel the need to defend it.

      • Carroll MacDonald says:

        I was tired of you lips slapping and I had to say something.

      • Carroll MacDonald says:

        I only spoke when I got fed up with you and your statements about linux dim witt

      • LamiaLove says:

        Didn't you say you are too cool to reply anymore? :))
        What happened? Did you have to recompile your Linux desktop distro and you had enough time to post not one, but THREE comments via an actually useful machine, one that runs Windows ? :))
        What happened to all the cool inside you? :))

      • Carroll MacDonald says:

        And the child lips keep flapping in the wind.

      • Carroll MacDonald says:

        And the child's lips keep flapping.

      • Carroll MacDonald says:

        So you have access to the server logs... check the logs on this one... it's a linux, I've was also just in with windows vista and windows 7.... I'm not gonna bother with the XP.... Unless you really want me to.

      • LamiaLove says:

        This is more than I could have ever hoped for. =))

        So, you are so cool you post EIGHT comments to my comment after you said you would not reply anymore?! =))

        Yes, I have access to the server logs.
        I also have access to enough devices to know you sometimes cry yourself to sleep at night.
        I am everywhere. I know all. I am legion.

        Nobody cares about your link you use for 13 years.
        Nobody cares you will remove it.
        Nobody uses Dreamweaver anymore.

      • Carroll MacDonald says:

        PPPS LamiaLove is none too bright.

      • LamiaLove says:

        I take it you are still not replying to my comments, right? Because that's what you said you would do.
        Well, that was like 15 comments-from-you ago...
        So, where did mister cool go and left you behind?

      • Carroll MacDonald says:

        Dude... you are doing nothing for your image. You smirk with an idiots smile. And I used to enjoy this site...

      • LamiaLove says:

        I'm not the one promising things I cannot deliver, like you did when you said you won;t comment anymore.
        How come you only posted one comment?! I mean, that's a really serious regression from the 8 (eight) comments you posted to my previous comment. :))

        By the way, nobody cares that you liked the site, nobody cares about you, so why bother staying around anyway?
        Better just go away and cry in front of your very successful Linux desktop distro!

      • Carroll MacDonald says:

        You are a REAL F'ing JERK AREN'T YOU. You're mamma probably let you suck her titty until you were 17 and now that you're 18 you think you're king shit..... but you're really just an IDIOT.

      • Carroll MacDonald says:

        And yup you keep replying... so will I you IDIOT. Go suck on your mamma's titty.

      • LamiaLove says:

        Wait, what?! That doesn't even make sense.
        You are the one that said you will not post anymore. Why not just do what you promised?
        You never conditioned it to what I will do. You just stated you will not post anymore.
        Should I understand you have no honor whatsoever?
        Is that like a Linux desktop-induced trait? The lack of honor? Is it?

        I just read your name and realized you are a woman. You should know that children that are breastfed longer are better developed mentally than the ones that have been breastfed for shorter periods.
        How can you not know that?!
        I thought you were linux and geek and mvp and cool and smart and have time to read stuff like this before you cry yourself to sleep in bed, at night.

        Did I say nobody cares about you? Oh, I did. Why don't you just go away forever?

      • Carroll MacDonald says:

        And for the record, nope not recompiling, rendering my next video... But for a young puppy as yourself, you shouldn't get so upset with the folks who come to comment dude.... I would never have said boo if you'd not took aim at a product that I use and enjoy like so many other people in the world... just because you take offence, doesn't mean you should shoot down Beta News Visitors. I use several Operating Systems as you can now clearly see by your Server Logs.

      • Carroll MacDonald says:

        I should remove the link from my web site that I have had pointed to Beta News for a very long time.... at least 13 years or more. I'm sure your logs will show that I come here a few times all the time and I come here from the link that I've used for the last 13 or more years from my web site that othes also use and enjoy. So now, I'm about to go back to my workstation, open up Dreamweaver and update my web site. How COOL is that? Pretty darn kewl if you ask me.

      • Carroll MacDonald says:

        bye bye beta news.

      • Carroll MacDonald says:

        bye bye LamiaLove...... signing off on Vista.

      • Carroll MacDonald says:

        Signing off in Windows 8.1.... and the first bye bye was as you can clearly see from a Linux Machine... The Windows 7 Machine was there, but I didn't bother saying boo to you on it.

      • Carroll MacDonald says:

        So you see... I wouldn't have said Boo, if you'd a let up on the Linux!

      • discolust says:

        I am a bit of a Linux fanboy, but I'm reasonable. Seems you're not unlike the other guy I gave a deserved hard time to. And it seems you've either been too lazy to read my initial response to that guy or... I'm just wasting my time responding to another witless wonder.

      • BoltmanLives says:

        Oh please bring it on.

      • darkstar says:

        You think you gave a hard, you gave yourself ten times with writing those essays about that guy's condescending attitude, sep u got one too. Psychologists will come looking at your posts for years man, an u don't know what real intelligence is cuz your concepshuns is based on immutable paradigms. Peace.

      • darkstar says:

        i think he's scaring people away ! ... from using linux

      • Carroll MacDonald says:

        I think he's fed up with idiots trying to sell him on Windows.

      • darkstar says:

        If everyone had to apologise for being condescending on Linux forums there would only be sorries posted - discolust obviously loves his linux but oughtta get his facts straight about windowz before putting it down. Just check disco's g+ discussions you'll see that he loves to call peope out on small technical things like that then calls them stupid and ignorant. Winblows, MacInturd, Linsucks who gives a f*** just use what ya got.

      • LamiaLove says:

        Holy cow, you're delirious!
        You really should get checked out.

  135. give_me_a_break says:

    There is nobody (big enough) in the business of selling Linux and making money from it. If my linux install breaks, who do I call ? Who devotes the engineering hours to making sure it does not break and bullet proofing it or making it just work. I actually find that, unless Im installing toy apps from the appstore, installing apps on ubunto is easier than on OSX. Installing any app on windows seems to be an invitation to installing a boatload of lurking crapware. But I know that if I have a problem on OSX, I can call apple and most of the time get it fixed. The free software religion, as in, nobody makes a living from it, means that it will always be a kind of gnostic cult, the refuge of people with secret knowledge. Linux on the desktop, as a commercial reality, may actually emerge from China as they look for a way to free themselves from dependence on MSFT and Apple.

    • Charlie Whitman says:

      To me, this "no support from the company" argument seems to be theoretical rather than something I see actually apply to real life situations. In my experience, people rarely call Microsoft when they have a computer issue. Usually, they try to get help from someone they know, then, if they find they actually need to pay for help, they pay someone local who they can talk to in real life.

      I actually would see local computer technicians not offering Linux support as a better argument. I know at least one local technician who doesn't support Linux because he doesn't really know Linux.

      Phone support is also a factor, but it's usually support for something else, like setting up your Internet connection rather than support from the company who made the software. This type of support is often from a script/flowchart and does not include support for Linux. Of course, as Linux becomes a little more popular support for it increases, but if you do find this type of support for Linux, at this point it will probably be for Ubuntu only.

      Of course, for enterprise users there are companies that offer Linux support, like Red Hat and Suse, which are sufficiently large, and Canonical offers some kind of support for Ubuntu.

      For home users, though, the deciding factor really seems to be whether they know someone who can give them support. At this point there are a lot more people who can give friends basic support for Windows than there are who can give basic support for Linux. So, as with most things like this, the more popular Linux becomes, the more acceptable it becomes to a regular user as an alternative.

      Personally, I find that many people are willing to run Linux on a second computer. This is especially true if they are not completely satisfied with their primary computer, or if they've gotten the chance to try Linux somewhere else. It also seems that people are a bit more adventurous as devices proliferate and they end up with something like a set top box running something other than Windows. It makes them more wiling to look around and ask what else is possible.

    • MichaelThuma says:

      As mentioned above software is not about market economy. The idea behind open source is not about free as in beer. Market economy is not about making money, it's about optimizing the results and resource usage and money is the major vehicle to achieve that. Open Source especially the management involved is about finding ways to achieve different but better results. Since better hints at something relative it's the result of those who mange their project.

      There are trade-offs with commons (Tragedy of the commons). To copy is a special concept - only one copy for everyone. You only take one apple from the tree and only on fish from stew but neither the tree nor the stew is empty after you took the apple or the fish. It simply grows again.

      We know from the times before the PC that a market dominated by big vendors is the worst thing the customer can get - oligopoly. (Reason for GNU - Response to vendors attempts of making even shell scripts no longer portable in order to bind the customer).

      There is no Windows vs. Linux and not Windows vs. Mac. There is no versus. Competition is about finding an optimum when it comes to limited resources especially in a material sense. Forget about that. And the author of the article should forget about this too.

      Many people like support from a commercial company since they believe there is someone who is told by his boss to solve the issue. Open Source and Linux is about taking the opportunity to gather experience while diving into an Ocean of resources similar to Schlaraffenland (land of milk and honey) including the restriction mentioned above. There is no reason in general to give something in return. You simply receive the copy but those who are in the position to contribute are invited to do. No one must give something in return.

      You spend your money to the illusion of a market built on top. That should not bother you. It does not matter.

      btw: You cannot call Microsoft either;)

  136. kasajian says:

    Linux could have gotten the desktop in the 90s. They could have gotten the desktop in the 2000's. They could get it now. But they have to do something that they're never willing to accept. They have to make enough Windows apps to run on their computer, especially drivers. From the beginning, they should have adopted the Windows driver model. And when Microsoft changed it, they should have adopted it new one. And again. And again. Linux users won't do that because they are convinced that it's not necessary. They got enough applications on Linux. And Linux supports so many devices. No. No way. Never will they do that 'cause it just goes against their grain. Also, you know, that stuff is in free as in speech. However, there's just enough software that won't run under Linux that keeps people away. For a long time Netflix wouldn't work. Or that cheap all-in-one printer/fax/scanner/toaster at Best-Buy that comes with only Windows and OSX drivers. Oh, and that GPU -- let's flip them the bird. Linux will never take that desktop because they're simply elitist and too arrogant to even admit they're behind. To be honest, I'm surprised anyone who is pro-Linux and ant-Windows will actually admit they haven't won the war. I bet, as far as they are concerned, Linux is already on the desktop. They use it. The installed it on their parents computer, so yeah. They already won. Except no one else thinks so.

    Linux will get on the desktop when Microsoft decides to put it on the desktop. No other company is able to own the desktop unless they start thinking like Microsoft, and most companies don't think Microsoft does anything right, so why emulate them?


    • MichaelThuma says:

      It's simply about what people are used to. Take them away their child they cry even if you hand over them a different one. Take away the child from the neighbors and people don't care in the the end. There is no such thing as arrogant Linux people ... Few people using Windows know how to make use of it and really benefit. So why would they switch to something they know less that allows them to achieve the same almost nothing compared to what's possible in both cases. The problem is never the machine - the problem is the laziness in front.

      We all want Excel because we know how to use it. Bring me a car and a driver and I know how to drive. Snowflakes in the wind. It's their freedom to focus on anything else.

      From an economic point of view that behavior is very similar to humans behavior when it comes to thunk cost - considering the investment into to existing solution or resources spent/wasted, compared to the future cost of revising the decision. That's pretty human. I don't talk about money for Linux or Windows. Both will become free anyway. Software is simply not about market economy. It's about putting the illusion of a market economy put on top of a very special kind of common that could be seen as mass product provided in abundance.

      Linux today is to enthusiasts what Windows was to us enthusiasts these days.

    • masher says:

      The war is over and neither are winning because the PC is slowly dying.

    • jgmitzen says:

      >They have to make enough Windows apps to run on their computer,

      >especially drivers.

      Sigh. The biggest cause of people failing to migrate to Linux is not understanding this: Linux IS NOT Windows. Linux is not a clone of Windows. OS X is not a clone of Windows. Running Windows applications is not what Linux needs any more than Windows Server needs to run Linux applications to grab more market share.

      And how are you going to make a driver written for operating system A run on a completely different operating system B? The ADVANTAGE of Linux is that the drivers are open source so people can inspect them, change them, and fix them. Even MS' analysis of Vista problems found that the majority of the blue screens were caused by faulty (proprietary) graphics drivers, not Windows bugs. Linux users don't want more closed source, buggy, locked-down code. I use Linux because it's different from Windows, not because it's a free clone. There is a project, ReactOS, which seeks to run Windows software on a free OS. Guess which of the two OSes draws the lion's share of developers and users?

      >However, there's just enough software that won't run under Linux that keeps
      >people away.

      No, it's all FUD by people who don't want to admit they fear change. They'll say, "I would run Linux, except for driver support". Then when the driver support arrives the line becomes "I would run Linux except for program X". When program X produces a Linux version or moves to the browser it becomes "I'd run Linux except I want my games/Steam". Now that Steam is on Linux it becomes "I would run Linux except I use Netflix." Now that Netflix officially supports Linux it'll be a new excuse next. Some people just don't want to change OSes and for some reason won't admit it.

      > For a long time Netflix wouldn't work.

      For a long time Netflix was keeping it from working.

      >Or that cheap all-in-one printer/fax/scanner/toaster at Best-Buy that comes >with only Windows and OSX drivers.

      Does it even come with OS X drivers? Probably not, but then you don't want to try blaming Apple for that, do you? If a peripheral maker doesn't release a driver or specs, that's out of the hands of any OS.

      That said, all the major printer vendors support Linux today. The person I share a home with bought a new HP printer/scanner with WiFi. HP provides software for it and I have no problem not only printing over my network, but even scanning in documents! People don't understand that the Linux of 2015 is not the Linux of 2000! I tried a commercial Linux in 1999 and I had no sound card driver, only 2D graphics, and there was no NTFS write support - and with no Windows support for reading Linux's file system, that made it an island. I complained about lack of software and was told "We have almost five thousand packages!" to which I answered "Yeah - and four thousand of them are text editors!" Now here I am using Linux full-time for both work and after-hours home use for the last 4.5 years. When AMD dropped support for my old graphics card Linux's open source driver continued to support it. My problem was that there was so *much* software I want to try that I've installed a ton of things on my PC and don't have time to try half of them. My local bookstore has Linux Format Magazine, Linux Pro, Linux User and Developer, Linux Voice, and Ubuntu Magazine (often good even though I don't use Ubuntu). There's also a PDF-only Linux Journal magazine. I have more to read, as well as more software, than I can find time for. What a change!

      > Oh, and that GPU -- let's flip them the bird. Linux will never take that desktop
      >because they're simply elitist and too arrogant to even admit they're behind.

      Behind? They won several years ago. MS is now copying Linux - ReFS to compete with BtrFS, adding a software "store", creating touch-centric interfaces (Gnome and Ubuntu's Unity did it first), moving Server administration to the command line and web interfaces instead of GUI, creating PowerShell to compete with Linux's Bash shell, and with Windows 10 introducing virtual desktops, package management, a rolling release, etc. They're just wholesale copying Linux at this point. Game over, and even a verified-but-anonymous Microsoft developer conceded in an online article that Linux was ahead of Windows in technology, both the kernel and file system. Tom's Hardware pitted Ubuntu against Windows 7 and Ubuntu won no matter how they added it up - most number of tests won, most number of important tests won, greatest difference in test results. Ubuntu and Linux's ext4 file system could copy large files around the hard drive a whopping 20% faster than Windows/NTFS! Linux also scored higher on some graphics tests and some CPU/memory tests. The reality is that Linux is just as viable a desktop OS as Windows or OS X. This line of "Linux just isn't ready" is meant to get people to not consider Linux so they don't compare its merits against Windows. It's FUD. Linux goes toe to toe, and in many areas surpasses, Windows. It's a problem of marketing today (it doesn't have any and Torvalds and Stallman are the world's worst ambassadors).

      > To be honest, I'm surprised anyone who is pro-Linux and ant-Windows will
      >actually admit they haven't won the war.

      That's because MS employees, respected testing sites, and even published articles proclaim that Linux has already won.

      > I bet, as far as they are concerned, Linux is already on the desktop.

      *some* desktops. However today the desktop is in our pockets, and in that sense, again, Linux has already won, on phones and tablets and steadily gaining in the classroom (thanks to Raspberry Pi and the like).

      >Linux will get on the desktop when Microsoft decides to put it on the desktop.
      >No other company is able to own the desktop unless they start thinking like

      You mean engage in monopolistic practices? MS got the desktop because 1) It was first, 2) it was lucky, and 3) it cheated like an SOB (and was convicted of it). Linux has conquered every single market it has ever entered that didn't have a pre-existing monopoly - from embedded to phones to supercomputers to servers to automotive, etc. "Thinking like Microsoft" has nothing to do with it. "Thinking like Microsoft" has done what on phones? How's Windows Phone doing? How has thinking like Microsoft done for tablets? Is Windows RT even sold anymore? How about the Zune? MS hasn't had to compete on merit for decades and they're discovering they simply don't know how. Maybe the new CEO can change the culture; maybe not. But it's MS right now that is trying to think like Linux, not the other way around. In fact he's said that "Microsoft loves Linux", MS has been showing up at Linux events (to pitch their Azure service) and had even contributed code to the Linux kernel (to help it run on MS virtualization)! And they're copying Linux features for Windows left and right, from command-line management to package management.

      > and most companies don't think Microsoft does anything right, so why emulate

      Well there's one point I have to agree with! Linux doesn't need Clippy or Microsoft Bob (although our Torvalds and Stallman are just as embarrassing).

      • kasajian says:

        >>>>The biggest cause of people failing to migrate to Linux is not understanding this: Linux IS NOT Windows<<<<

        I'm sorry, but I cannot read the rest of this. You're starting with a straw-man argument. I never said Linux is Windows. Stating that it is, and then explaining how I'm wrong isn't going to convince anyone.

        I stand by my original position. Linux should have been able to use Windows drivers from the beginning. And it should do so now. It should also be able to spend considerable time trying to run Windows software. Start with MS Office 2013. Then more people would use Linux.

      • jgmitzen says:

        >You're starting with a straw-man argument. I never said Linux is


        You didn't say those words, but it's the fault in your thinking. You wrote that "They have to make enough Windows apps to run on their computer, especially drivers. From the beginning, they should have adopted the Windows driver model. And when Microsoft changed it, they should have adopted it new one. And again." And then that to win Linux had to "think like Microsoft".
        So Linux should run Windows programs, use Windows drivers, and think like Microsoft. How is that not trying to turn Linux into Windows? I think you've got the strawman here.

        >I stand by my original position. Linux should have been able to
        >use Windows drivers from the beginning.

        You do understand that's essentially impossible without actually implementing large chunks of Windows in the Linux kernel, don't you? And again, there's my point: LINUX IS NOT WINDOWS. Linux users don't want Windows drivers, much less proprietary drivers. You ignored the entire rebuttal to each of your suggestions and then just state your points all over again. :-(

        >And it should do so now.

        Why? Why does it need to do so?

        > It should also be able to spend considerable time trying to run
        >Windows software.

        What was that again? "I never said Linux is Windows"?

        >Start with MS Office 2013. Then more people would use Linux.

        They wouldn't be using Linux. They'd be using Windows.

  137. casawyer says:

    I disagree, more people are moving to Ubuntu and Fedora Linux every day. Windows 7 and 8 were bad enough, 9 and 10 will be what brings more to Linux! I just bought a new HP laptop for my wife and the windows 8 on it wouldn't work right and kept crashing, Like the 7 did on my laptop. We are both running Ubuntu and it works great!

    Also all my windows programs works just great with Wine. But personally I like LibreOffice over Microsoft Office and it is free!

    • darkstar says:

      I never understood that whole Openoffice/Libreoffice schism thingy. Stupid politics if ya aska me and now Openoffice is Apache and still the hate. Openoffice is quite a good program and my go-to word processor on Windows now that Office supports Odf I can send out. Good as Office if it does whatya need, better then LibreO i think. But I haven't done Libre in a while.

    • Iain Simpson says:

      Windows 10 in preview form will probably have a larger userbase than Linux within a couple of months.

  138. darkstar says:

    Time to fork Linux

  139. I don't mean to be disrespectful, but if you prefer Libreoffice over Microsoft Office, you probably aren't doing very challenging work. I think most people that say such a thing have never actually worked in the corporate world with extremely in depth spreadsheets or databases.

    If you just need a word processor to write letters or a spreadsheet program to track spending, Libreoffice may be fine.

    If you need sharepoint integration, use Access databases or really complicated excel sheets, office is it.

    • masher says:

      That is a pretty funny comment. If you are using Microsoft Office or Libreoffice then you are stuck in the past. Both are outdated tools. If you are really doing serious work its on an analytics platform. Apache Spark, GraphLab, or something like that. Office? Not so much.

    • jgmitzen says:

      >If you need sharepoint integration

      So... if you need integration with locked-in Microsoft technology you're better off with Microsoft? I'm shocked, shocked! :-) The rest of us don't need "sharepoint" - we can use open format content management systems or good old HTML (unlike poor Access, which had this removed and replaced by Sharepoint-only instead).

      That said, LibreOffice 4 SUPPORTS SHAREPOINT... along with "support for Alfresco, Google GDrive, Nuxeo, MS SharePoint, MS OneDrive, IBM FileNet Lotus Live Files, Lotus Quickr Domino, OpenDataSpace and OpenText ELS", while MS Office only supports MS' own SharePoint and OneDrive.

      >use Access databases

      So... if you need to access a closed, proprietary Microsoft database format you should use a Microsoft tool? Again, see above. Sorry, but this is rather a weak argument. It's no different than saying if you need ext4 or Btrfs access you should run Linux hence Linux is better.

      > or really complicated excel sheets, office is it.

      Um... did you mean that use of "excel" there instead of "spreadsheet"? If so, then this is even weaker... if you need to use Microsoft Office's spreadsheet format you should use Microsoft Office (!!!).

      Are you aware that Excel has a track record of being horrible for statistical work? When its statistical functions were tested they were very inaccurate. Open source Gnumeric fixed its reported bugs within WEEKS. Excel? It didn't bother. Statisticians published papers warning their colleagues not to use Excel. Sometimes Excel "fixed" a problem in ways that just changed the error. In one case they claimed to have fixed a problem but tests showed the same results. Gnumeric, developed by a handful of volunteers, was far more accurate than Excel (OpenOffice was as well). In the end, some of the issues took TEN YEARS to fix in Excel.

      In the end, only a small amount of the functions in Excel have ever been independently tested. No one knows how bad the rest of it is. In fact, the last paper I read on the subject advised that no function for important work should be used in Excel unless MS publishes the source of the algorithm they used and a test suite to verify it works. Needless to say, no Excel function provides that. Some examination of the documentation has begun and - guess what? - that's wrong too in terms of claims it makes about accuracy, limits, etc.!

      Here's just one site (department of statistics at Vanderbilt University) that collects links to some of the papers documenting the problems with Excel:

      So, *I* don't mean to be disrespectful, but if you prefer Microsoft Office over LibreOffice, you're probably not doing work important enough that it needs to be correct. I do data analysis and data mining work and I wouldn't let Excel within ten feet of any machine I use. Although honestly I think the problem is that you've just never actually examined the merits of the two software packages since you don't actually cite reasons why one is better - you just arrogantly assume that your using Office means your work is somehow more important and, I guess, that makes you a special snowflake. Me, I just don't want to have wrong answers and I don't bugs to persist for a decade.

      Contrary to your claims that LibreOffice is only good for writing a letter, professional writer Bruce Byfield produced a detailed article citing many areas where LibreOffice's Writer is superior to Microsoft Word:

      LibreOffice also has a good, honest (up-to-date) comparison here:

  140. Mustafa Özgüner says:

    I'm not in Linux community for ages but as I see, most people are missing the point. We are using Linux because our servers are Linux and the applications we managed to work on our system will work on our servers too. And also this "desktop" argument is really pointless because Linux's customizability is giving us the power. I'm using Linux Mint Cinnamon because its Linux and its cool looking desktop, some people love KDE or Gnome or Xfce or Lxde ... Do I want Linux as a "desktop" for everybody ? NO! I don't want people to use Linux who feel their computer is faster when they've got a faster internet connection. " I don't use Linux because it's not a desktop operating system." this is a huge lie because Linux is always a desktop OS for people like us. This kind of people may try to install Microsoft Office on Linux! " Windows 10 is free " is a huge lie also. We know that if you upgrade your Windows via OTA it will turn into a stone age trash. Directx and solving Apple's floating point issue are not making Windows the "desktop".

  141. discolust says:

    You know what, Betanews? It might not be your fault, but it seems you attract a lot of... betas... or further down the hierarchy. I will try not to return here.

  142. masher says:

    Perhaps but aside from programmers and some other engineers who needs a desktop anymore? If I'm not writing code then an iPad or iPhone is all I need.

    And the next generation of development tools are online browser based deals. We have had mbed for years now. The reasons to have a desktop are fading very quickly.

    • Dario Leon Rincon says:

      Gamers, Designers, Artists... sure, we love to work and play with iPads and iPhones (/sarcams)

  143. HeyRadar says:

    Even on Windows my primary app is a browser, so my needs for a full OS is quickly diminishing. Chrome OS would satisfy 90% of my needs. We need to focus getting it running on all PCs.

    And Linux Desktops need to merge, not fork. McDonalds wouldn't be as big if each store served different foods. The pyramids wouldn't be as great if everyone made smaller ones instead of working together to make grand ones.

    • Herbert says:

      That makes so much sense. I do windows because it has it all. Every time I do Linux I always end up being dissatisfied do to US restrictions and the lack of the communities devotion to " Its got it all ". mentality . So I believe you are right about them coming together or at lease one distro wanting to have it all.

      • jgmitzen says:

        What "all" does Windows have? You get essentially nothing out of the box and it takes 12GB of space. I can install OpenSUSE in 4GB and get full office suite, bittorrent client, IRC client, IM client, PIM suite, image editor, image manager, RAW camera format editor, panorama stitcher, music manager, media player, archiver, CD burner, flash, java, PDF reader, mapping software, database, micro-blogging client, scanning software, download manager, clipboard manager, etc.

        I can run Linux on a tiny Raspberry Pi single-board computer. I can run Linux on most ARM devices. I can run Linux on a supercomputing cluster. I can run Linux on a phone. I can run Linux in the cloud. And of course, I can run as many copies of Linux as I want, for free, with no llicense keys, licensing servers, phone home checks, or anyone else telling me what I can or can't do with my PC - including when or if I reboot. I can also "respin" Linux into my own personal distro (legally) and keep my personal setup on a flash drive (legally and without needing to buy an "enterprise" edition of Linux).

        I can't do most of these things with Windows. It seems to me at least that Linux already has it all. I started with a brand-new PC I built and one new flash drive with OpenSUSE 13.2 install DVD loaded on it and I ended up with a combo home/work PC with data analysis, data mining, machine learning, database software, development tools for half a dozen languages that I either know or want to learn this year, mathematics software, small business accounting software, version control, mapping, documentation generation, and personal use software such as HTPC media management/playback, ebook viewing and converting tools, music management and tag editing, and even Steam and games. All free and other than Steam, Google Earth and one driver, all open source.

        Windows 10 wants to bring things such as virtual desktops, package management, rolling releases, copy-on-write file system, etc. to Windows. I gained all of these things already when I switched to Linux four years ago. From my experience, I think I already "have it all".

      • Herbert says:

        It has it all Linux is lacking as am have it all Operating system and sucks if you want to watch a movie or play a GOOD game .

      • jgmitzen says:

        Watch a movie? I don't even have a TV! I use Linux and Kodi (formerly XBMC) to watch all of my television shows and movies. Netflix is available for Linux now too (officially).

        Good Games? Valve has made Steam available for Linux and is encouraging all of its developer partners to produce Linux versions ahead of their SteamBox/SteamOS release. There are over 700 Steam games on Linux, 60% of recently released Steam titles had Linux versions and as of 7 months ago 7 of the top 10 Steam games had Linux versions. Major games such as Civilization V, Borderlands 2, Wasteland 2, The Witcher 2, Serious Sam 3, XCOM, Europa Universalis IV have Linux versions. In fact, 18% of all games on Steam have Linux versions!

        And for what isn't native, the WINE compatibility layer often makes up for. I've been playing Batman Arkham Asylum via WINE, and two games I got free with my new graphics card, including Total War: Shogun II, also run fine with WINE. In fact, WINE has let me run some old games, such as Sierra's Lighthouse and Vampire the Masquerade: Redemption that I couldn't get to run anymore on real Windows!

        >It dosent even support new hardware when you install

        Heh. Linux was the first to support 64bit, the first to support USB 3, and had Microsoft Kinect supoprt before Windows! What you describe is, as all the rest, issues from ten years ago. It's like bashing Windows by talking about flaws with Windows XP.

        Linux drivers are generally open source and in the kernel itself so you don't have to hunt around installing drivers. This might mean that something released three days ago doesn't have built-in support with Linux and one might need to wait a few weeks for a driver to appear. On the upside, with Windows manufacturers drop support for new Windows versions to force you to replace perfectly good hardware. As an example, HP dropped support for many printers when Windows 7 came out - all of which continued to be supported under Linux. XP dropped support for CD changers, DirectSound was dropped in Vista I believe, etc. If you're buying a brand new laptop you might have to do some homework (unless you buy one with Linux preinstalled). In reality, you're paying for someone to install Windows on that system and find all the drivers for you (out of the box Windows doesn't support a lot of hardware either). But once you get Linux running on that device, you essentially never have to worry about an upgrade losing support for your hardware. That, to me, seems like a much more important consideration. I can check if hardware is compatible with Linux; I don't have a crystal ball to know what hardware won't be supported on a version of Windows in the future.


        Every OS has problems, even OS X and that's custom-built for the hardware it runs on! How many Windows users reinstall Windows just to get rid of accumulated cruft? I ended up switching to Linux when Windows stopped letting me update video drivers (turns out it decided I wasn't the owner of a registry key anymore). With Windows, you have to report the problem and hope and pray they get around to fixing it. With open source, anyone can fix the problem and everyone will benefit. That makes solutions available sooner. Heck, you can even pay someone to fix the problem for you as a last resort; not so with Windows.

        But on the whole, my Linux experience has been relatively trouble free and my few problems always had ready solutions because the code is available and the community is knowledgeable and one doesn't need to wait for a "patch Tuesday" for a fix.

      • Herbert says:

        My point exactly .. Linux today is STILL behind the curve.. Hopefully someday they can compete. I wouldn't mind paying for Linux, if it was a viable choice. But as of today its not.

      • jgmitzen says:

        This is the same nonsense... "I would love to switch to Linux, but it's just not ready." By claiming Linux isn't ready, it tells people to leave it out of consideration when considering an operating system. By doing so, they never compare it against Windows and see how it stands up. It's like trying to disqualify someone before a contest. It's how Microsoft operated for decades, incidentally... Gates was obsessed with not letting another operating system exist.

        Microsoft Windows is a perfectly viable desktop operating system. OS X is a perfectly viable desktop operating system. And Linux is a perfectly viable desktop operating system. People have their own preferences and different sets of important features that may lead them to choose one over the other - but it's absolutely untrue to claim that any of these operating systems "just isn't ready". Tell that to the cities of Munich, Germany and Milan, Italy, which have converted thousands of office desktops apiece to Linux.

        >Linux today is STILL behind the curve.

        It's ahead of the curve, from copy-on-write file systems to package management, and Windows 8 and 10 have been an effort to catch up on the part of Microsoft. We even had an anonymous Microsoft developer reveal in an interview that Linux is indeed the faster operating system and how the culture at Microsoft prevents them from innovating at Linux's pace:

      • Herbert says:

        Ok you win . I like Ubuntu and love the compiz effects . If I could only get games (new releases to work . I would seriously go Linux.

    • jgmitzen says:

      >We need to focus getting Chrome OS running on all PCs instead of Linux.

      Who's "we"? Certainly not Linux users or open source fans.

      >McDonalds wouldn't be as big if each restaurant served different foods.

      I have news for you - McDonalds' menus vary by country, and sometimes even by region, because yes, people have different tastes and different cultures. By your reasoning putting just one item on the menu would be the ultimate business strategy. Linux's strength is that it can be whatever the user wants it to be, from embedded microcontroller to supercomputer OS to anything inbetween.

  144. sn0wflake says:

    The Linux community is "I can make ABC work with DEF to make GHI". That is fine, it's just that nobody cares about GHI. Start with ABC and make Linux as user friendly as Windows.

    • Carroll MacDonald says:

      Actually, the Linux community works together and collaborate on their software so it works together.... unlike other O/S's we know and love to hate.

    • jgmitzen says:

      If software won't let you do what you want it to it's not user friendly. Both MS' and Apple's "user experience" tends not to involve the user at all, unfortunately.

    • Nick Godby says:

      The learning curve is just higher. actually it is a lot more user friendly than in the past. It is a Programmers O.S. after all. Linux is not Windows nor was it meant to be. Yes you can program,in Microsoft windows.not a programmer ..not a problem =) It is just nice when something goes wrong you don`t need to shell out more cash . Most open-source is free , and support groups out the wazoo. including Google and You Tube.

  145. Carroll MacDonald says:

    Linux is the easiest O/S I've ever installed. It's quick, drivers are installed... once you enter the network information you're online. I don't see Linux going anywhere too soon. Sorry Windows 10.

    • sn0wflake says:

      I have never experienced Linux work fully with my hardware in the 10 years I've given it a try, and that has been with many hardware configurations with many PC's. It's true that you can get it up and running but then your 3D card, or RAID controller, or sound card, or whatever doesn't work completely.

      • Carroll MacDonald says:

        Not at all, your guess is Wrong. I've got a whole network of computers setup... Windows 7, Windows Vista, Windows 8.1, Linux Mint, Cinnamon and Linux Ubuntu. I've no problems with any of my network setup Sn0wFlake.

      • Hall9000 says:

        That video reminds me of the "Mind's Eye" series dating back to 1990!'s_Eye_(film_series)

        In some ways I would equate that series with what Walter/Wendy Carlos did for electronic music.

      • Carroll MacDonald says:

        I've got near 500 videos online... most are Fractal Related.

      • jgmitzen says:

        I just built a computer from scratch... about 7 minutes to get Linux installed - including all major software - once I set up passwords, etc. 3D card, 2 3TB drives in RAID with SSD caching, encryption, 8 cores, hot swap docks, UEFI, GPT, etc. Sorry, no problems. I also have a large suite of data analysis/data mining/machine learning/database software/development software running, all open source. I have a far greater variety and more powerful collection of software in my home then when I was working in the HQ of a billion-dollar retailer, and it's all free to use. We are truly living in the Golden Age of open source software right now.

  146. Dominican504 says:

    I won't give up my Linux Mint

  147. Hall9000 says:

    That video reminds me of the "Mind's Eye" series dating back to

  148. Howard Robinson says:

    unless they do away with the registry... and their fanatical password obsession... I don't see Microsoft doing anything else worthwhile.

  149. mr. Berg Moes says:

    These "posts" are getting more stupid as Brian Fagioli writes them more.
    He seems like a kid "My toy is better than yours" and he likes to start a war between different OS users.
    For Brian Fagiolis information win10 is still NT architecture and it is thesedays a bubblegum fixed system which is VERY vulnerable to almost any kind of attack from outside.

    Could you please stop writing these IMO that is better than that and start a war.

  150. Gerhard Munro says:

    I am a Java developer for about 16 years now and seeing that Java runs on all platforms I am constantly deploying on Linux/Unix as well. Just yesterday I tried Mint as this is the latest craze. It installs like a dream but to install Java 8 and Netbeans 8.2 was a major mission. None of the "guides" I got from Google worked and after about an hour I gave up. Windows works and because I earn my income from it I will be glad to pay for a decent OS.

  151. Flavio Mauri says:

    I think Linux should be adopted by public administrations. At least what I've normally seen in the few offices I've been, and in organisations, everything they need can be found for free on Linux, and now in appealing packages.
    I think that Linux needs some advocates that would try to create a business of this sort.

    • puchasanyasi says:

      It's more like if a shit-cake is marketed as the best one and comes with a price tag, commoners believes it is the best. this is what happens with Windows using novices. they aren't aware of UNIX OS's. be it BSDs or Linux or even OS X.

  152. christianknuchel says:

    To me, this article has a weird smell. When scrolling through the list of publications by Brian Fagioli on this website, I can't help but find the sheer amount of "Look at the great things Microsoft is doing!" type of headlines quite interesting, especially combined with headlines mostly sounding a rather critical or less than impressive tone when it comes to competitors of Microsoft such as Google, Apple or Linux. I find this a tad bit of an odd bias in article distribution for someone that seems to like pointing out how much they are in favour of Linux.
    Surely there would have been "Hey, look at these great things in the Linux world!"-topics Brian Fagioli could have written a few articles about.

    Linking to another article focusing on a negative occurrence in the Linux world, in this already laden context, doesn't help to resolve the above described impression either.

    There is a lot of hype surrounding Windows 10, in part due to features being incorporated that have been around since ancient times on UNIX desktops.
    Regarding market and mind share, the Linux desktop has a history of steady growth over a long time. There have always been some swing users that switched back and forth between Linux that are influenced by Windows releases. It will likely be more or less those swing users again that are going to play a role when Windows 10 will be released. However, it is doubtful that in the long run, overall market or mind share is going to be influenced by the release by a considerable margin, as past releases of Windows, even those that were more decent than others, didn't have such an effect either.

    Predicting the end of future growth for the Linux desktop is more blind Windows 10 hype than anything else. It's certainly nothing based on quantifiable data which would allow such an extrapolation.

  153. Nick Godby says:

    Linux is Linux and Microsoft Windows is Windows. Enough said.

  154. WK says:

    Based on how I feel, I think the author is half right. If the upgrade to Windows 10 is free, I will take it for my Windows 8.X systems. But in the second year there is no way I will make an annual payment to Microsoft as is proposed in the "Windows 365" model. I'll switch to Linux in a flash. Currently, people perceive the Windows version pre-installed on their home systems as "free". If Microsoft starts demanding an annual payment, the real costs will be made obvious to everyone.

    • Murray Chapman says:

      Agree. Hoping Linux picks up the ball. If the new Ubuntu OS comes off well with Ap integration across the Phone, Tablet and Desktop, I will be waving bye bye to Apple and Windows :)

    • swarfega says:

      The sku model for Windows 10 will be similar to that of Office. You have a full priced product with its once only payment and then you have Office 365 with its subscription payments. And so Windows 10 will be following this model. You could take up the free upgrade offer for the first year and then make the single payment upgrade like you have done with previous versions of Windows.

  155. rauckr says:

    Any reports of the demise of Linux are premature at best.

  156. puchasanyasi says:

    14 years on Linux means, I am not even sensitive to Windows OS. UNIX-like OS will reign ultimately.

  157. Mike Burroughs says:

    Wow, this is majorly premature. There will always be Linux users on the core distros (RHEL, CentOS, Ubuntu, Scientific, etc), and sometimes they're the right tool for the job. No single OS is ever the best tool for every job. For instance, my desktop + tablet are W8, my home servers are all 2012r2, but my HTPC is Kodibuntu, my production web servers are CentOS, my laptop is OSX 10.6 and my router is EdgeOS/Vyatta. Each OS is a piece of the puzzle in my home, and no single platform will ever replace everything.

    Will Windows keep a good chunk of users? Most likely, and mostly non-technical home users, but it's not an OS-killer. If any versions of Windows were truly OS-killers, then distros like AIX, HP-UX, Solaris, etc would have disappeared and been replaced by Server HPC Edition long ago. Linux, and Mac OS X for that matter, will live strong and likely coexist with Windows as they always have. Just an opinion, but that's how I see it.

  158. Ragna says:

    I have just one thing to say: Windows 10 was the final straw for me. So many proper changes were promised that I even caught myself saying, "Windows will finally be what I've always dreamed it could." The amount of dissapointment I had when I saw 10 (even for a beta it didn't even hint at any real changes from 8.1) could not be put into words. That same day I, a Windows user of at least two decades, switched to Linux. Tried a few distros and settled on ElementaryOS. Couldn't be happier.

    Sure I may be the exception not the rule, but I am not the only beta user that was dissapointed with Windows 10.

  159. David Lumin says:

    I've been using Linux since 1997, and I have yet to see any windows variant since then, that I would even want in my computer system. Windows is a virus. It has infected the minds, and computers of millions of people/companies for years now.

    With their proprietary software such as DirectX, Microsoft has cornered the gaming industry and have lead people to believe that it is superior to OpenGL and other technologies. People have come to expect Windows to fail and aren't really that mad when it does so. How do I know this? Because they keep going back for more.

    It has been said, that Linux users are an elitist group. If that is true, I'll gladly take that label. If I'm elitist because I demand quality over quantity, so be it. If I'm elitist because I demand that a system be secure, and stable, then stamp it to my forehead. If I am elitist because I don't care what others put in their computer, I'll shout it in the streets. I'm an Elitist!!! I am a Linux User!!!!!

    I find the author's insight to be that of someone who doesn't really get what Linux is about. Its not about being free. Its about the freedom to chose what goes in your computer system and the freedom to change it if it isn't what you want.

    Linux works as it was designed to work. It reaches those who have figured out its core reason for existing, and NO, it is not for everyone.

  160. Paul Silvey says:

    Interesting article, but here is what is driving me away from windows and its world --- cost. Yes, I work on databases for a living and I can run open source systems for a fraction of the cost given the speed increases in disk IO. With that said, I need Linux shells to support my systems. At this point windows becomes a nussiance. Windows vista and 8 were horrid to say the least. What will windows 10 offer to make it useful in my world - probably nothing.

  161. madethatway says:

    So, Windows 10 will be a free upgrade for those with 7 and above and has addressed customer dissatisfaction with 8? If I had a dollar for every time such premature and predictable comments were made about upcoming Windows versions, I'd be a very wealthy person.

    However, it really doesn't seem as though Linux has any intention of competing to keep the customer base it currently has, but I could be wrong - and it certainly wouldn't be the first time.

    Given Microsoft's past performance, however, it's difficult - if not impossible - to trust promises made about Windows 10.

    I left Microsoft for a Linux distro last year and while my experience of Linux has been that it has it's stupidly limiting frustrations (most of them very basic that should have been addressed a long time ago), I can't see myself returning to Microsoft for my more serious daily and business requirements.

    Microsoft demonstrated to me over the years that it can't be trusted and that it runs roughshod over customers like a Communist Dictatorship - and that's not something I'm likely to forget in a hurry.

    The ONLY time I will use Windows is when I purchase a second pc solely for gaming, specifically MMORPGS, because Linux is woefully and embarrassingly inadequate in that area and it's doubtful they'll ever do anything about it.

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