Microsoft will pester Windows 7 users to upgrade to Windows 10 with pop-up notifications

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Anyone who is still using Windows 7 doesn't have much longer until the operating system is no longer supported by Microsoft. Come January 14, 2020 only those enterprise customers who are willing to pay for Extended Security Updates will receive any kind of support.

Microsoft has already done a lot to encourage Windows 7 diehards to make the move to Windows 10, and now it is stepping things up a gear. Throughout 2019, the company will show pop-up notifications in Windows 7 about making the switch to the latest version of Windows.

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In a blog post, Microsoft's corporate vice president, Matt Barlow, explains that the end of support for Windows 7 means there will be no more updates issued to most people, and this is why it is important to upgrade to "the most secure Windows ever". He says: "To help our customers get advanced notice of this change, we are reaching out with information and resources. Beginning next month, if you are a Windows 7 customer, you can expect to see a notification appear on your Windows 7 PC."

He goes on to explain:

This is a courtesy reminder that you can expect to see a handful of times in 2019. By starting the reminders now, our hope is that you have time to plan and prepare for this transition. These notifications are designed to help provide information only and if you would prefer not to receive them again, you'll be able to select an option for "do not notify me again", and we will not send you any further reminders. Just as software has changed over the years, so has hardware. To learn more about the latest line-up of modern PCs and information for moving from Windows 7 to Windows 10, just click on the "learn more" button on the notification.

As well as encouraging Windows 7 users to migrate to Windows 10, Microsoft is also eager for Office 2010 users to move to Office 365 -- although at this stage there is no mention of nagging notifications for it in Office.

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304 Responses to Microsoft will pester Windows 7 users to upgrade to Windows 10 with pop-up notifications

  1. AintYerPa says:

    Now see.. This is the kind of thing that makes people hate Microsoft...

    • Adrian S says:

      They had the same sort of thing on Windows XP, but people found out how to stop that, so someone will do the same thing with Windows 7

      • Dave says:

        I personally have deleted the windows 7 update components since 2014 and skipped the entire windows 10 nag ads and spyware and now this. So glad I did this. And before some windows 7 hater to tell me that I had viruses - no i did not, and also do not use the bloatware windows defenders and other bloatware. It is true thou I am not an average user.

    • whatabug says:

      Exactly right! I doubt it will sway many Win 7 users. It will mostly irritate, I think.

  2. TechFan says:

    "pester"....really.
    Yet, MS says, courtesy reminder they will see time to time (not pester). And MS states you have an options to 'do not notify me again, or see any reminder about Windows 10'.

    This is exactly how it should be done. Better than Android, your OS just stops getting updates one day... I would rather see the same thing on my Android devices 'This device will stop getting updates, eventually your favorite apps might not run on it, and for sure you will have security holes on your device so do not use for anything other than consuming data'. Of course, the problem with that, their solution isn't a free upgrade to the current OS, but...go buy another device.

    Again, MS is doing it exactly at it should be done.

    • whatabug says:

      They should offer Win 10 for free again.

      • AintYerPa says:

        They should. Except they got most of their Beta Testing out of the way already, I suppose...

        (Using us as Beta Testers, I mean)

      • TechFan says:

        That sure did that 1st year. But we loved it. Mainly has Windows 8 wasn't even close to ready for how users work (no start menu, apps only ran full screen and so on).

      • Slavic says:

        Missed Start menu is easy to add; full screen apps, like all apps, are useless for Windows 7 users. App screen needs only for a few settings which Microsoft removed from Control Panel in Windows 8.

      • TechFan says:

        I don’t think you have spent much today me in the latest build

      • AintYerPa says:

        True

      • James Kelly says:

        It is still free.

      • Adrian S says:

        Not many people are stupid enough to buy it.

      • James Kelly says:

        Source?

        Out of 800 million+ active users, "many people" must have bought it, either directly or having deliberately chosen new equipment with it installed. Even @Fantasm on these boards bought it (although no doubt he'll deny doing so).

      • mjeffers says:

        'Deliberately chosen new equipment' ?

        If you buy a computer now, you have NO CHOICE, it comes with that buggy abusive Windows 10.

      • James Kelly says:

        "If you buy a computer now, you have NO CHOICE"

        macOS, iOS, Linux, Android, Chromebooks, there's plenty of choice.

      • mjeffers says:

        We are talking computers, not phones or krap Chromebooks.

        Linux is for tech dweebs, macOS has 10% market share, it's garbage.

        Windows rules the world!

      • Adrian S says:

        IOS and Android are not computer operating systems, they for low powered laptops or phones, Chromebooks are fine for some people but limited, Linux is nice, but very few machines are sold with Linux and while it is a good OS, there are still software that is not available for it.

        so that leaves Mac OS, which is a good OS, but limited if you are into games as very few games run on it, which is not a problem for me, but Mac Os is tied to certain machines produced by one comp;any and they are a bit expensive for what you get.

        So if you want a machine that does not cost a fortune, but will run a lot of software and is pretty powerful then that is a windows machine, and since Windows 10 is the only version of Windows sold these days that means most people have very little choice but to use Windows 10.

      • Fantasm says:

        "but will run a lot of software"
        Not the least of being software that the user may have already invested lot's of money. So it's less likely they will be able to switch ecosystems without significant financial cost...

      • Adrian S says:

        we have new handsets at work that use Android, i thought they would have used Windows since the software it runs is mainly from MS anyway.

      • Adrian S says:

        No source as i can not remember where i read it but the majoirty of Windows 10 out there either came with a new machine, is on the Xbox, so came with a new machine or a free update. The percentage of people going out and buying windows 10 is pretty low.

        Since all new machines that uses windows have windows 10, people buying a windows machine have no choice but to have Windows 10.

        i only ever paid for 4 versions of windows, windows 95 was an extra cost for £60 when i got my first PC in 1997, still got the invoice for the machine . it was a new thing to me as my Amigas came with the OS and the machines I had before had what they would call an Os built in.

        The next OS I paid for was windows 98se, i have no idea how much that was as I have no info for that, windows ME I copied from a mate of mine, but went back to 98Se after a couple of months. I then got XP, which I did pay for as I rebuilt my machine XP was was only an OEM, so had to come with some hardware, if i remember rightly it came with a cheap mouse.

        I never used Vista on my tower, Ms did an offer with Windows 7 the pro retail version for £89.97 in 2009, that was cheap for the retail version with both 32 and 64 bit version and meant that I could install it on my machine when ever I updated the hardware.

        Then came Windows 8, which was an update and again was cheap, a friend paid for it for me as she wanted to see what it was like, so I never as such paid for it, and from there I updated to horrid windows 10.

        So i paid for windows 95, windows 98Se, XP and Windows 7

        XP also came on my laptop and I got Vista as a free upgrade at the same time, Vista did not stay on my laptop for long, now the laptop is running Manjaro, it is an old machine and it will will do me until it goes belly up for the amount of time I use it.

      • neo wales says:

        If W10 is 'horrid' go back to W7

      • Adrian S says:

        i would if i could.

      • James Kelly says:

        "No source as i can not remember where i read it"

        I am not singling you out on this occasion, but isn't it funny how we have all these statements flying around on Betanews about this, that and the other - but as soon as a source is requested, there's always some reason as to why one can't be posted. How strange.

      • Adrian S says:

        Unlike you we do not all go around finding out things and then taking notice where we seen it, some of us do not make it our life work to find out stuff about windows and MS.

        I read a lot of info from many different sources, where you seem to be stuck between one or two and they are a bit iffy now and then. Like your info about how good windows 10 is doing, oh it have taken over windows 7, the next few days after, oh it have not, then a few days after that, oh it have.

        As have been said many time before, if Windows 10 have not over taken Windows 7 then there is something very wrong, since and I will say this out loud.
        YOU CAN NOT BUY A COMPUTER WITH WINDOWS 7 ANYMORE AND YOU CAN GET WINDOWS 7 FROM MICROSOFT ANYMORE EITHER.

        but you can get Windows 7 by other means

      • James Kelly says:

        If it really was true, you'd have been able to provide the original source.

        I therefore suggest as you're now getting rather excited and complaining too much, you may well have told a lie and are not happy you've been found out.

      • Fantasm says:

        "If it really was true, you'd have been able to provide the original source."
        You really do have mental issues don't you?

      • James Kelly says:

        More diversion.

        It's very straightforward, if you're telling the truth then post a source, otherwise you are obviously lying (again).

      • Fantasm says:

        "if you're telling the truth then post a source, otherwise you are obviously lying (again)."

        Source?
        See you can't.... So by your own logic, you are obviously lying...

      • James Kelly says:

        Someone, i.e. you, who makes outrageous claims on these forums and never posts a source = liar.

        Someone, i.e. me, who makes a claim (even something outrageous), yet can back it up with a source = not a liar.

      • Fantasm says:

        "yet can back it up with a source = not a liar."

        Still waiting for you to prove that I'm lying... See, the absence of a source does not prove I'm lying. It just means I didn't post a source....
        If I said the sun was shining and I didn't post a source would you say I'm lying about it?
        Water is wet, without a source, am I lying?

      • James Kelly says:

        In isolated statements, no, but you have a track record of lying so I am now asking for sources more often - and your refusal to provide one, together with this constant diversion/deflection and general 'chip on your shoulder' attitude means the only conclusion is to question anything that you say.

      • Fantasm says:

        Prove it or shut up...

      • James Kelly says:

        14 posts in that Betanews article.

        You said you would never use Windows 10, you are now using Windows 10.

      • Fantasm says:

        Cite me a specific quote that I said I'd NEVER use Windows 10....
        you can't... I already shot down your 14 posts of stuff you collected that I'd posted... (you really are a nutter to make that kind of effort and still fail)

      • James Kelly says:

        Why did you report that previous post? If you've got nothing to hide, why report?

      • Fantasm says:

        Well, now, you say stuff online that you wouldn't dare say to me face to face...no wonder it gets flagged...

      • James Kelly says:

        It's because you don't want to see those 14 posts from 1st November 2016, isn't it?

      • Fantasm says:

        You really have mental issues don't you?
        I reposted them and added my own comments to show you have no f'ing clue....

      • Adrian S says:

        that must be it

      • James Kelly says:

        More diversion.

      • Fantasm says:

        'More diversion'
        Here we go again, you don't like a response and you either ignore it or call it 'diversion'....
        Thanks for proving my point...

      • Adrian S says:

        If you say so, you just do not like to be proved wrong, you hate it when someone goes against windows 10.
        If I remembered where i read everything I would be amazing, the problem with you is you choose the same unreliable crap as source all the time

      • James Kelly says:

        If people can backup their viewpoint with evidence, then I'd be happy to go along with it. The point is, they never do.

      • Adrian S says:

        You talk a load of bull, the sources you put out are the same all the time and they are full of bull as well

      • James Kelly says:

        Oh really? I often quote 5 independent usage trackers, you and your fanboys colleagues quote none - not even the sole outlier anymore now that it no longer fits your narrative.

        That suggests what I am saying in relation to usage figures is the truth and what you say is not. Because the fanboys don't like the truth, as it would mean admitting defeat in relation to the success of Windows 10.

      • Fantasm says:

        "I often quote 5 independent usage trackers,"
        So what....
        They don't measure any of the computers that are not online....
        Nor do they measure any computer that does not fulfill the criteria those trackers look for....

        They are simply an estimation of the total usage... They are probably ALL wrong....

      • James Kelly says:

        They weren't "probably ALL wrong" when you claimed that Windows 10 was 'flatlining', were they? Back then they were 'very reliable' and 'highly refined'.

      • John says:

        I'm curious James. What do you believe you're achieving when you behave like this?

      • James Kelly says:

        I'm trying to understand why these fanboys claim one thing now, yet previously claimed the opposite to be true. The evidence is there for all to see in the Betanews forums.

      • John says:

        If my memory serves me correctly NMS had W10 flatlining for quite some time. This was before the bot issues were made public.
        In any event, why do you care so much about it? It's only a few people anyway but you go on and on about it. James, you're the only one who cares about it. When you carry on like you do you portray yourself in a very poor light. The Linux article by Brian the other day is a prime example of this.

      • James Kelly says:

        The Linux article the other day shows the kind of diversion/deflection that we're up against in relation to the Windows 10.

        A simple question, Linux desktop and mobile active users versus usage share and there was unbelievable amounts of nonsense. In the end though, the riddle was solved and an answer found.

      • John says:

        We're not up against anything. You may feel that way but I certainly don't, I don't care what OS people use.

        You failed to answer my question. Why do you care so much what a handful of random people on a website have to say about W10?

      • James Kelly says:

        I don't. I'm only interested in seeing the truth.

        @Fantasm is only interested in reporting/upvoting untruths. Why does he refuse to post sources?

      • Fantasm says:

        "Why does he refuse to post sources?"
        Because you ignore the ones you don't like... an I don't have the level of interest to be bothered....

      • Fantasm says:

        "@Fantasm is only interested in reporting/upvoting untruths."
        No, I've never upvoted your posts....

      • Fantasm says:

        No, you made it into a spamfest about you asking many many times the same stupid question.... You spent an entire afternoon doing it...

      • James Kelly says:

        It was more diversion from the fanboys. Why not just give the answer to a simple question.

        It's the same with Windows 10, you don't like the answer.

      • Fantasm says:

        Look, you're making yourself look like a person with mental deficiencies... stop doing that....

        "you don't like the answer."
        What answer? What was the question? What does that have to do with the topic of this article....

      • Fantasm says:

        Prove what you say or shut up....

      • James Kelly says:

        I did prove it, by posting 14 separate quotes from you from a single article.

        You then went on to do the exact opposite. Proof that you were lying.

        Further evidence of wrongdoing was the fact that a) you conveniently 'forgot' that you'd said any of it and b) that you kept/keep reporting any posts containing said evidence. What have you got to hide? Admit you were wrong/lying and let's move on.

      • Fantasm says:

        No...
        you are wrong as usual...

      • Fantasm says:

        Read above where I went through ll those statements, made comments, and you still didn't prove anything....

        You really do have mental issues...
        Not the least being you tried this crap a while ago and got no where....

      • Fantasm says:

        I don't believe I ever said they were highly refined or very reliable....
        Again, I ask you to show me your 'source'...

        Still waiting for all these 'sources'...

      • James Kelly says:

        The source is what you are your colleagues said right here on the Betanews forums. Those embarrassing (for you) things that you have now conveniently forgotten' that you said.

      • John says:

        If it's good enough for the goose, it's good enough for the gander.

        You need to provide evidence of your claims as requested by @Fantasm.

      • James Kelly says:

        I've provided 14 separate posts by @Fantasm in the Betanews article dated 1st November 2016. He keeps reporting them because he's embarrassed by what he said.

      • Fantasm says:

        No you have not....

        Not a single word in that whole set of comments actually says that I will never run Windows 10.... and you know it....

        1. "There is literally no compelling reason for me to go to Windows 10..."
        So, does that say NEVER? No it just says there is no compelling reason...

        2. "I have no desire to switch to W10."
        Same again.... just no desire to go to it...

        3. "But unless MS learns from the failures, it will just be another pile of crap..."
        Same again...

        4. "As you say, W10, is not wanted by many even for free..."
        Same... still doesn't say never...

        5. "I think what we are seeing is people who are reinstalling their old OS when they need to do a reinstall for whatever reason."
        Does this say Never?

        6. "It's an easy choice, most people already have the disks for W7 or W8.... So they just pop them in and reinstall...."
        Still no sign of never...

        7. "Me, I'm still happy with Windows 7...."
        Still doesn't say never...

        8. "I have no desire to be tied to a universal platform anyway. I prefer my systems to be different." - Fantasm
        Nope, not saying never even here....

        9. "No universal platform for me...."
        UWP is not Windows 10....

        10. "But the fact is, many of us tried it and decided for many reasons that we don't like Windows 10."
        Still doesn't say never....

        11. "I was in a place a few years ago that needed a company mission statement.... I came up with and instituted it. I can't even remember the wording these days. It was some mindless fluff to look good to outsiders and keep the sheep workers inline..."
        Nope, still no "never"

        12. "That shows people are actively choosing to reject Windows 10 after trying it and they are going back to the older operating systems."
        Does that say me, saying 'never'?

        13. "If Microsoft hadn't forced, begged, nagged and so on, windows 10 would have been a complete failure"
        Does this say 'never'?

        14. "W10 really doesn't have all that much to offer to be worth the extra work for many people."
        Still no never....

      • Fantasm says:

        Firstly, if someone else said it that's up to them but you specifically said that I said it so prove it or shut up!
        Tired of your lying crap...

      • James Kelly says:

        14 posts (at least) in one article where you said you would never use Windows 10. You are now using Windows 10. That was a lie, wasn't it?

        Evidence please of my 'lying crap'.

      • Fantasm says:

        Look you dolt, YOU still have not shown any example of me saying I'd NEVER run windows 10.... YOU are the liar aren't you?
        Come on, prove me wrong...

      • Adrian S says:

        Just bog off you annoying troll.

      • James Kelly says:

        "Just bog off you annoying troll."

        You really do need to calm down dear, try taking up yoga.

      • Fantasm says:

        Why should they? I have proven time after time, that you ignore any evidence or source that you don't like....
        Still waiting for you to tell me what hardware you KNEW I was running....

        You ignored it when I asked to to prove it...

        You also ignored it when I asked you to specifically quote me saying I'd never run windows 10, still waiting on that too...

        You post crap and then demand "sources" like you're the moderator here. You're just some anonymous little poster with no life other than this.... You can't demand 'sources', nor should you.... you're not that important....

        You want a 'source'? Do like the adults on here do and look it up on Google yourself....

      • James Kelly says:

        I 'KNEW' what hardware you were running because you told us - something else that you've conveniently 'forgotten' about - alongside saying that you would never use Windows 10 - proven to be another lie.

      • Fantasm says:

        Prove where I told you.... come on, show me the quote where I specifically said it... You're always bragging you back everything up with sources....
        As usual, you're just making it up....

      • James Kelly says:

        I provided you with 14 individual posts of yours from a single Betanews article - 1st November 2016 - the first one as listed on Google when searching for 'betanews flatlining'. What did you do every time I posted it - you flagged it as spam and then claimed that you had 'forgotten' that you'd ever posted any of it.

        As usual, more diversion and deflection.

        What are you doing using a Windows 10 PC? You said you would never use that OS. More lies.

      • Fantasm says:

        You're still lying....
        You know damn well that you have no idea....
        Go ahead what motherboard am I running?
        What ram?
        What video cards?
        How much ram?
        What is my Cpu?
        What's my hard drive size, make and models?
        What are my add-on cards?
        What's my peer supply make and wattage?
        What make and models are my screens?
        Go on, prove it or shut up...

      • James Kelly says:

        You're running Windows 10 after stating you would never use it in those 14 posts.

      • Fantasm says:

        Highlight any single part that has me saying never

      • Fantasm says:

        so, it's been almost a day and you still haven't proven you know what my hardware is.... Another case of YOU ignoring the posts you cannot deal with?

      • James Kelly says:

        I'm enjoying my weekend, I suggest you do the same.

        I will reply in due course.

      • Fantasm says:

        Well, unfortunately that's not happening....

        It's been a really bad weekend, and I may not be around for some time except when I'm in the mood....
        In all seriousness, my lady has suffered a catastrophic medical problem and she may die within the next short while.... It's all up in the air and right now we have no idea if she will survive... but generally, the outlook for her situation is for less than 2 months....

        So listen, you have fun here, but I'm not going to be around much for a while... I'll maybe pop in once in a while, but if I suddenly disappear, well you know what happened....

      • James Kelly says:

        Really sorry to hear this news, all the best to you and your family.

      • Fantasm says:

        Prove where I said I'd never use Windows 10...
        Otherwise shut up....

      • James Kelly says:

        "Prove where I said I'd never use Windows 10..."

        14 individual posts in the Betanews article from 1st November 2016. The one that you don't want reposting, so keep reporting it.

      • Fantasm says:

        There is not a single part of that repost saying I'd NEVER run Windows 10...
        You are a dolt... Try again...

      • neo wales says:

        You can buy a 'blank' PC/Laptop and then a brand new copy of 7 pro including install disk on ebay for less than £20. That said it baffles me why anybody would go back to an obsolete OS like 7 or 8.1. I install all the MS updates on my five home machines running 10 and have had NO problems.

      • Adrian S says:

        wow, I am, shocked I can buy a blank PC or laptop on ebay, I would never have known if you did not tell me. I would be a bit worried about buying windows 7 on ebay.

        Since i have machine already built and I have plenty of bits to make a couple more machines, almost, need cases and PSUs, why would I need to buy another machine?
        i would not put windows on them anyway for what trhey would be used for i would stick Linux.

        Do you really think I care about your five machines at home?

      • James Kelly says:

        "Do you really think I care about your five machines at home?"

        Like your colleague @disqus_t0K9dD72qA:disqus, you're making a lot of noise for someone who doesn't care.

      • Fantasm says:

        A "colleague" dolt is someone you work with...

        And you insist ion dragging me into this, so you get what you reap....
        I post a handful of messages, you post dozens....

      • James Kelly says:

        In this instance a colleague is another one of your clone accounts.

      • Fantasm says:

        Well, No, I don't have clone accounts, so AGAIN, you're still wrong....

      • James Kelly says:

        Not even @DeXuS2000:disqus?

      • Fantasm says:

        Not anyone who has As usual you have no clue....

      • neo wales says:

        I don't expect you to care about my five machines, I used it to help demonstrate just how rock solid 10 is if you leave it alone, something you can't seem to do and yet your the one with problems not me. By the way, it will be six machines next month when I buy an i7 Surface Pro 6...an early birthday present from me to me :) Some people collect stamps where as I collect computers, still it keeps me out of trouble LOL

        You say you have enough bits to make a couple of machines and yet you recently said you could maybe assemble one machine...changing the goal posts again Adrian LOL

      • Adrian S says:

        i have no problems now, the problems I had MS sorted, well they did and then they mucked it up again, but it is now sorted again. I have said that the core of Windows 10 is ok, it is very Windows 8 like, it is the junk MS add that is the problem.

        I have stamps, i have not added to them for years, but I used to collect them, got a few albums.
        i have not interest in laptops, my old one is in the sitting room and have not been turned on for ages.

        I would say I could make two, i have my old AMD FX board, cpu and memory and i have my old AMD Athlon board, cpu and memory. so yes two at least. May not be that powerful, but ok for some stuff, the problem is I do not have the space for them, I was going to set one up in here as a linux machine, but I need the space for something else.

      • Fantasm says:

        "That said it baffles me why anybody would go back to an obsolete OS like 7 or 8.1."

        Well, being baffled means you obviously haven't arrived at the reason.... That's about it.... See, most people run a computer for a reason... not because they want to run the latest and shiniest...

        Just because you don't see the reason, doesn't mean there isn't a valid and rational reason to do so....

      • Greg says:

        AIUI ... If you're running Windows 7 activated with a genuine licence, you
        can use the product key from Windows 7 to activate Windows 10 free.

      • Any Windows 7 or 8 computer can still be upgraded for free. I am doing these upgrades all the time these days. Upgraded factory built Windows 8 computers boot Windows 10 and automatically activate. With Windows 7 computers one just types the key code from the COA sticker.

  3. MisterListerSir says:

    Something tells me it's going to get "rowdy" in here. ;-)

  4. This seems reasonable to me. Tbh, I find it rather nice that Microsoft is offering this alert.

    • whatabug says:

      Upgrading to Win 10 costs money now. Which is why I doubt many Win 7 users will appreciate the repeated alert. If they were serious, they should offer Win 10 for free again.

      • Appreciated or not, letting Windows 7 users know support is ending is a good thing.

      • whatabug says:

        Agreed, as long as it's done sensibly.

      • AintYerPa says:

        Yeah - except I'm pretty sure WIN7 users can most likely be broken down into 2 groups - those that know support is ending and will either upgrade on their OWN time or choose not to - and those who don't know/don't care and will stay with it til the PC they are using it on dies...

        Annoying people is NOT the answer. Because if its anything like previous types of notifications like this, it'll pop up CONSTANTLY...

      • TechFan says:

        IT people might know it's coming to an end.
        But I bet if I asked the 30,000 users at my work if they knew Windows 7 is about to no longer get updates, including security updates, it would be a super small group of people that would know this. Even less of a percentage if I asked home users. It's just a tool for them.

        Most of the once not upgrading are scared, they have no clue how to backup their data, and afraid going to Windows 10 is going to lose their files (mainly family photos). Or that 20 year old card game that still works.

      • psycros says:

        All true, and all valid concerns. Most people are remarkably ignorant of how their computing devices work. Part of this is by design - all of the program writers and gadget builders guard their proprietary works zealously. Unfortunately, simple profit motive is an even bigger motivation to keep us dumbed down. Just as with any other company the hardware and software makers want to sell you something new at regular intervals so not long after their new stuff hits the market they start trying to cripple what you already have. That's why you have to be extremely cautious with updates. I'm extremely suspicious of the latest Nvidia drivers that seem to degrade performance n their older cards.

      • James Kelly says:

        Correct, it's just the same as with XP.

      • R.E.A.L Human Rights says:

        When Microsoft was created, people like Bill Gates, Paul Allen, and Steve Ballmer understood more than programming, they also understood PEOPLE. They also understood that they needed to SELL to "customers," and actually realized that people who gave Microsoft money were "customers." Microsoft succeeded because it respected the INDIVIDUAL, and wanted to empower the individual.

        In the 21st century age of Satya Nadella, he "rebuilt" the Microsoft "culture" to mainly focus on the "enterprise" customers. Today's Darth Vader-themed Microsoft is only concerned about its enterprise empire, its global cloud businesses, and actually the Microsoft Windows OS is becoming an inconvenience to its business model. Fine. Let it SELL Windows OS division to another company or break out the Windows division to be owned by another company that WANTS to be in that business. Just like when Microsoft struggled to get DOS back from IBM. Let another company run Windows, and one that remembers that its customer base actually matters, and that not all of their customers are the CEOs of multinational corporations.

      • infekt_me says:

        The OS is 10 years old, Bill Gates, Paul Allen and Steve Ballmer would want you off this ancient OS as well. You will receive one notification and that's all.

      • MyDisqussion says:

        I thought that it was still possible to upgrade to WinX for free. Can you confirm that Microsoft charges now for the upgrade?

      • whatabug says:

        I read that some people have had success with using their Win 7/8 serials to upgrade. But it's not something Microsoft advertises.

      • 1DaveN says:

        I just read that entering a Win7 Pro license code on a Win10 Home machine will update it to Win10 Pro, but I'm not sure if you can use that Win7 Pro license to upgrade the whole OS. Maybe, but not something one would want to find out the hard way.

      • James Kelly says:

        That is correct, but I've only ever done this the other way around, i.e. upgrade to 10 Home first using the original licence, then apply the Pro licence afterwards.

      • MyDisqussion says:

        Just install a fresh copy of Windows X and ignore the activation. You'll still get all of the monthly security boo boos (*cough* updates.) You won't be able to (as easily) change your desktop, but that's about the worst if you never activate it.

      • Chainsman says:

        In my experience, the system will shut itself down after several days when it's displaying the "This copy of Windows is not genuine" on the desktop wallpaper.

      • James Kelly says:

        Your first instinct is correct, it's still free to upgrade.

      • TechFan says:

        It does look like it won't bug them much and the options to never be reminded again.
        I do agree, at least for the home version (consumers), it should be Free again till the end of their year.

      • James Kelly says:

        It's still free, just not actively publicised.

      • MJ says:

        True & its still something they (MS) never have done before. I am going to play the old card since I am 49 (even though that is not that old) because apparently I am one of the few who remembered being told noting in life is free, everything comes with a price.

      • James Kelly says:

        "Upgrading to Win 10 costs money now."

        No it doesn't.

        I'm continually upgrading PC's (using the ISO download method) that have previously never been upgraded and they activate just as they always have done.

      • Chainsman says:

        Yep, it activates with your Windows 7 license key. On an activated Windows 7 system already installed, merely running the setup on the ISO upgrades your system to Windows 10 Pro without any question.
        I just did this very thing today.

      • Adrian S says:

        Windows 10 update is still free from Windows 7 and 8 if you really want it, just do a direct update or a clean install and use your windows 7/8 key.

        i done it a few weeks back for someone, but what they called windows 10 is not repeatable on here

      • MyDisqussion says:

        You can get it for free by not activating as well.

      • James Kelly says:

        Another stupid suggestion, why not just let the thing activate?

      • Adrian S says:

        Not a good idea, it does not work correctly.

      • MyDisqussion says:

        Really, the only downside is making it a tiny bit harder to change the background. You still get all of the security updates from Microsoft.

      • MyDisqussion says:

        This is contrary to what I have read, except in very minor instances like setting the background image. So, I have to reluctantly take a page from James Kelly and ask,

        -What doesn't work correctly?
        -Where is there discussion of these items that don't work correctly?

        .

      • Adrian S says:

        Fair enough, just what I heard, I have never run windows 10 for any length of time not activated, apart from when I had problems changing from my AMD FX to this Ryzen, for some reason it would not activate, so I ran it for a day as it was.

        i eventually got it working, but it meant phoning MS automated line.

      • MyDisqussion says:

        Phoning a who???

        Never had that experience in Open Source OS.

      • ibmps2it says:

        Will this work with Win 7/8 OEM keys (major brands) and also Win 7/8 VAR keys (value-added resellers, i.e. legit keys sold by small system builders, with hardware, or from Amazon, that are then locked to the motherboard they're installed on).

      • It won’t work with volume license 7/8 keys because it was never a free upgrade for enterprise customers.

      • Adrian S says:

        Yep as far as I can tell. I will also work with a bootlegged version of Windows 7, i know someone who have been using a iffy version of Windows 7 for years and they done a straight update to Windows 10 and that windows 10 is now an activated version and even doing a clean install it is still activated.

      • Slavic says:

        For testing insider installation, I used a key file created by gatherosstate.exe utility on my machine when it had Windows 7 installed (now Windows 8.1). But I doubt that such semi-hack can be widely recommended. Never attempted to activate directly by the key, and it may be a problem for users with OEM installation because their OS is factory activated and supplied (reserved) keys are intended to be activated only by phone.

      • Adrian S says:

        i know of someone who had a iffy version of Windows 7 and updated that Windows 10 and it activated fine, maybe MS just want people onm windows 10 no matter how.

    • psycros says:

      What would be reasonable is for them to provide a coherent product that can switch intelligently between touch and desktop modes, as well as adding a simple way to switch off all the unwarranted spying. Windows 7 users are standing firm because they value their sanity and security too much.

      • 1DaveN says:

        Windows 7 users are standing firm because of inertia, and nothing else. The second they want a new PC, they'll switch to Windows 10 and barely notice. You're the only living human who cares about telemetry today.

      • MyDisqussion says:

        You have to take these "only" statements with a huge grain of salt.

      • 1DaveN says:

        Well, I can't dispute that some tech journalists and a few BetaNews commenters pretend to care. Privacy abuses by companies like FB and Google don't seem to hurt them at all, and I have yet to see a credible allegation that Microsoft abuses anyone's privacy.

      • MJ says:

        So because others are grabbing their ankles the rest of us should? Some of us still like our privacy.

      • James Kelly says:

        "You have to take these "only" statements with a huge grain of salt."

        Ditto, those that refuse to provide a source.

      • Robert Davis says:

        This Windows 7 user is standing firm for my home system. I have purchased several laptops with windows 10 - and immediately installed Linux Mint on them.

      • James Kelly says:

        Ah, so you must be one of the 2.14% that NMS class as a desktop user of Linux. Very good.

      • TechFan says:

        If that works for you great. It would be interesting to know why, if you are pretty much using Mint as a browser, or to run a few programs and games - Windows 10 would have served you well too. But Mint is pretty nice, I have been playing with it for a couple months now.

      • Robert Davis says:

        If you want to look at Linux Mint as a browser . . . ok. Yes, Win10 would perform well for the uses I have, but I don't like what MS did to the OS (as well as privacy), nor do I want to generate HotMail accounts simply to activate the OS.

    • tom says:

      Yeah, me too. It will remind me that it's time to switch to Linux.

    • Captain555 says:

      It will help to built a whole new bunch of utilities to get of those pesky notice.

    • As long as it wasn’t as annoying as the GWX campaign of 2015 I might agree.

  5. ms_t_rie says:

    I am going to guess that Enterprise users won't be getting those messages, I would hope they aren't. Since most of them won't have the ability to do the switch as those systems are mostly handled by IT. Our company has been slowly working with getting a functional Windows 10 setup for the users. The biggest problem has been Office actually, there are times when they just can't get an updated version of Office to work with their spreadsheets. That's where I expect we'll run into the most resistance, some people (particularly accountants) practically live in Excel.

  6. MyDisqussion says:

    Sigh. As long as it is just a nudge.

    4 out of 10 PCs running Microsoft OS are running Windows 7.

  7. Slavic says:

    Will the notification window have the familiar red [x] in the top right corner?

    • TechFan says:

      I hope so, as the close window, red [x], is the default for closing all Windows.
      Could you imaging if the red [x] meant more than close the window. Could you image if it meant, read the dialog box and make a logic choice for me before closing :)

    • PrivateOne says:

      Yes, and as last time it will mean “Please install Windows 10 Immediately” “Oh and while we’re at it don’t mind if we delete your files as well”

      • Slavic says:

        Although I think that deleting all user files would be too outrageous, keeping only the files in %userprofile% and removing all outside may be quite close to reality.

  8. Binro says:

    This is why I switched to Lubuntu (Linux) a while ago.

  9. Edward Bear says:

    Let me know when they announce removing all the spyware built into Win10. THEN I'll try it.

    • TechFan says:

      Yawn.
      OK I'll bite. I assume you use Chrome, maybe a gmail account, Google Services, maybe even an Android?

      • MJ says:

        "OK I'll bite. I assume you use Chrome, maybe a gmail account, Google Services, maybe even an Android?"

        So you assume that everyone that is concerned about privacy, is stupid? For me (so this is IMO) I DO NOT & WILL NOT EVER use ANY GOOGLE product EVER. As for phones its a land line or a feature (dumb) phone for me (yes they still have them). Some of us demand our privacy & will not follow others. Hell I stopped buying cars when the only choice was connected cars. That said, what would it hurt to turn the telemetry off or have an actual off switch? I guess we will never know.

      • Dave says:

        I do use Android on custom ROM. Never seen any ads or had my location or other data stolen. I was horrified to find that people have those issues and do nothing. The problem is on Android you can solve it, on windows you cannot. I tried and windows 10 crashed and wont boot anymore if you try to fix it.

      • Fantasm says:

        And what do they have to do with the privacy of your own computer?
        People don't use them the same way.

        Would you post a nude portrait of your wife on Facebook? Yet you might have her picture on your computer...
        Would you write a legal document on Facebook? Yet people do it on computers all the time...
        Would you put your payroll information on Facebook? People use computers for that all the time....
        It all comes down to what you do with these services....

  10. psycros says:

    The smart Windows 7 users will disable all updates at least 60 days before support ends to prevent sabotage.

    • 1DaveN says:

      Don't forget the tin foil hat. I heard MS will be sending space aliens around in the middle of the night to update peoples' PCs without their permission.

      • Rock Smith says:

        Or be gullible like you, who will put more trust in some mega corporation than keeping some sensible caution to safe guard their privacy. But I think privacy is too much to ask from people like you.

      • 1DaveN says:

        Telemetry doesn't compromise my privacy in any way. Just because I'm realistic rather than a paranoid idiot doesn't mean I'm not concerned with safeguarding my privacy. I know that Microsoft goes out of their way to avoid collecting personal information with telemetry, and gets rid of anything they collect in error. You most certainly can't say the same about FB or google.

      • Fantasm says:

        "I know that Microsoft goes out of their way to avoid collecting personal information"

        I see. So you work for Microsoft, and are in a high enough position to know, or are in that specific job?
        Because otherwise, you cannot know for sure...

      • 1DaveN says:

        I can't know anything for sure. I don't know for sure that there's an air bag in my car's steering wheel. My Nyquil could be green water and sugar. Those apples might not really be organic.

        However, I've met with Microsoft employees who work with telemetry data, and discussed the issue with them personally. Even if you consciously send them identifying information, they are required to immediately delete it. I spend way too much time reading the tech press, and I've never heard a credible allegation of MS using personal information acquired from telemetry. They are a publicly traded corporation, who would suffer not only loss of reputation and business costs, but also legal consequences from the SEC, FTC, and other government agencies if they lied about this. Lastly, I have to trust someone (or stop using tech products), and I choose to trust Microsoft.

        All this whining and crying about telemetry, after years and years, hasn't provided a single example of abuse.

      • James Kelly says:

        So according to you, anyone who has anything positive to say about Windows 10 must "work for Microsoft".

      • Fantasm says:

        'So according to you, anyone who has anything positive to say about Windows 10 must "work for Microsoft".'

        How did you arrive at that conclusion?
        I specifically asked about telemetry... Something he cannot definitively know about unless he is employed in that capacity... and you try to put it down as a dig at all people who like Windows 10....

        So now, explain your reasoning....

      • James Kelly says:

        You constantly claim that anyone who doesn't follow your Windows 7 narrative that they are a 'paid Microsoft shill'. It's all nonsense and you know it.

      • Fantasm says:

        No, I said anyone who is as obsessed with Windows 10 as YOU are either has to be mentally ill or paid Microsoft shill....

      • James Kelly says:

        I was just about the reply to your nonsense this morning, but then discovered that it has all been removed.

      • MJ says:

        And according to you, anyone that has ANYTHING negative to say about Windows 10 is a Windows 7 fanboy. So its a wash.....

      • MyDisqussion says:

        Microsoft does collect more than 2000 tidbits of information at the Basic level.

      • Adrian S says:

        i don't understand why Ms just do not have an option to disable it? i am pretty sure they will get enough people using it to do what they they do with it. It would solve a lot of problems and stop people doing things to their machines to stop telemetry that may result in causing problems security wise.

        the problem is Ms really do not care, they are stubborn, always have been and always will be. they have enough people on their insiders that gives them the data they want.

      • 1DaveN says:

        I agree - although telemetry doesn't bother me in the least (and I don't even know my setting without checking), I would dearly appreciate an end to the relentless complaining and conspiracy theories.

      • Adrian S says:

        Ms knows best, or they think they do, that is why Windows 8 bombed and yet it was not a bad OS to be honest.

        I have got rid of cortana and the computer seems to work fine without it, it does kill the search on the task bar, but then I never use that anyway.

        I did try a few things to get rid of telemetry, but they are all a pain, IO have blocked it to a certain extent, but even that is getting to be a pain, simple wall is good, but you need to know what the hell it is blocking.
        If MS just gave the option to turn of telemetry, things would be better, or would they?
        with all the trickery MS have done over the years, would any one believe that it is turned off?

      • James Kelly says:

        What do you care? You don't even like Windows 10. Stick to Windows 7 and micro managing updates, for another 10 months anyway.

      • MJ says:

        Man you have a selective memory or you skipped your meds again. He has Windows 10, face it not everyone that uses Windows 10 is in LOVE with the OS.

      • James Kelly says:

        If you don't like Windows 10, there are plenty of alternatives available.

        Either use them or quit whining.

      • MJ says:

        "If you don't like Windows 10, there are plenty of alternatives available."

        If most of what you do is web based there are A LOT of choices, however if your using software specifically written for windows then your choices are much smaller (to include using older versions of Windows).

        So if someone pointing out what they don't like about Windows 10 is whining, what is it called when someone continually praises every aspect of Windows 10?

      • James Kelly says:

        One Windows 7 fanboy claimed he would "never" use Windows 10, yet has recently bought a Windows 10 PC (and subsequently gimped it by attempting to use incompatible hardware). I'd call that outright lying.

      • Fantasm says:

        You're lying again....
        Prove it or shut up....

      • Adrian S says:

        You are a bit on the dim side, i do not like windows 10, but I still have to use it. You either do not take any notice what anyone says or you just can not process it.
        I have said many times before I have not used Windows 7 for years, I used Windows 8 before crappy ten.

      • James Kelly says:

        So, another one who doesn't like Windows 10, but still uses it. There's plenty of choice out there, you've mentioned some yourself, why keep using something you don't like?

      • Adrian S says:

        But there is not plenty of choice, it seems like i am going around in circles. the choices out there don't do what I need to do apart from MaC Os as the same software is available for it. While there is some software available for Linux that can do some of what I need, there is nothing to do all i need/ If i did not have to use Windows 10 I would not, i would prefer to go back to windows 8.1.
        Mac Os would be nice, but i am not paying Apple stupid prices.

      • James Kelly says:

        And what exactly does 8.1 give you compared with 10?

        They are both built on the same platform, ala Windows 7 and Vista, etc.

      • Adrian S says:

        No cortana, no telemetry, yes i know MS pushed it out, but it is easy enough to get rid of it.
        No large updates and no large updates adding more ways to try and get you to sign into their cloud.
        it is strange really, when windows 8 first came out it was almost impossible to use without a live account, thankfully Ms saw for a change saw the error of their ways and changed.
        No applications that try and do a thousand things and don't do any of them that good, windows applications are like windows 7s and just do the job, like the photo viewer.

        My main problem with Windows 8.1 as windows 8 was awful, 8.1 was far better, but anyway my main problems was the start screen, awful idea, so added a nice start menu to 8, just a shame Windows 10 carried on with the awful tile idea. The metro apps was awful as they took a whole screen up, oh you could use half a screen, but still use less, thankfully most people did not bother with them.
        The charm system, another awful idea, again thankfully they could be disabled, the third party start menu I used got rid of them.

        Windows 8.1 was stable and fast, certainly faster than Windows 7.

        Maybe is Ms allowed us to use the LTSB version of Windows 10 i would like it more.

      • James Kelly says:

        You actually speak a lot of sense in this post, not 100%, but almost.

      • Adrian S says:

        So what don't you agree with Mr Bill Gates?

    • TechFan says:

      You can't. Windows 7 doesn't have delay update settings.

      • psycros says:

        No, its got an OFF switch for updates. Just like every Win8, Vista and XP build before it. Of course for some configurations, esp. with corporate copies, it could be made inaccessible to users.

      • TechFan says:

        How 90's. Even then, most home users just put Automatic Updates anyway.

        So the average user need to know Windows 7 coming to an end (most do not). Put some 60 day before event in their calendar. Keep up on this topic as in as MS can shift dates...and then turn back up on updates to get Windows 10.

        Or...as they are going to Windows 10 sooner or later, why not go now?

      • infekt_me says:

        I suspect that people that are still on Windows 7 know what they are doing and just refuse to update.

      • The Dumb Genius says:

        "Or...as they are going to Windows 10 sooner or later, why not go now?"

        Because perhaps some of them prefer to have control over exactly what particular updates their computer installs (as some of them have proved to be problematic, unnecessary and privacy-invading), rather than simply having to accept whatever MS decides to force down their throat.

      • James Kelly says:

        "Because perhaps some of them prefer to have control over exactly what particular updates their computer installs"

        It's OK, you won't have to worry about updates in 10 months time - as there won't be any for Windows 7.

      • TechFan says:

        That is actually funny - You are correct, anyone that stays on Windows 7 will never be bothered by silly updates anymore (not even security ones). It's a perfect solution to people that like to micromanage updates - in a way, they should thank Microsoft by giving them hours of their lives back to do more meaningful things.

      • The Dumb Genius says:

        It's not that some of us like to 'micromanage' updates, it's just that we prefer to have some kind of CONTROL of our own machines. Windows 10 takes away that control and this is one of the main problems I have with it.

        So you prefer to have every single update MS puts out there automatically installed? That's perfectly fine, if that's your preference. But there are those like me who would like the OPTION to remove a problematic update if we so choose, such as the recent one that deleted user files, to use one example (and no 'delaying it for 30 days' or whatever isn't the same thing).

        Same thing with telemetry. Happy to have it running on your machine? That's great. But not all of us feel the same way, so give us a CHOICE. It's not too much to ask surely. Windows 10 feels like MS is more in control of your machine than you are, which is what puts a lot of us off it.

      • MJ says:

        Sure there will. If you think for one min that MS is going to deliver the paid extended updates (till 2023) in another manner than how they do now your just fooling yourself. There will be a patch or reg edit that will enable the updates. However it might only work on Pro & enterprise.

      • James Kelly says:

        Luckily, the vast majority of former 7 users will have moved to 10 by then*, so this point is only of academic interest.

        * - at the current rate of progress. Source: Steam, W3schools, NMS, Statcounter, Net Applications.

      • Adrian S says:

        i know someone who still use windows XP and their view is that since Ms have left it alone, it have been more stable than ever, no BSoD, no drivers going pete tong because MS thought they knew better, all software works fine, no freezing. It just works fine.
        IK also know of someone who uses a windows 10 machine off line and they say the same thing.

      • TechFan says:

        Yes, because humans want to spend their life micromanaging updates. Turn off updates, review each one that MS releases, monitor tech sites to see if there are any issues, and then cherry pick the updates they want. Or....and this sounds like a better option that is in Windows 10, push off any major updates, but tell Windows you want all security updates (and even, if you like, tell security updates to only install 3, 7, 30 days after released).

        Not sure I follow you on the privacy issues. Not to mention most that use those words are using Chrome, Androids, Google Services (and many Facebook) -

        But it's all good. MS, as most tech companies, are not interested in the 1% like you (making up that percentage, but it's small).

      • Lazarus98 says:

        "(as some of them have proved to be problematic, unnecessary and privacy-invading)"

        Sort of like Windows 7 updates right?

      • TechFan says:

        Not to mention most have telemetry running on Windows 7 with past updates (granted, it can be removed....I think).

      • Adrian S says:

        yes it is only an update so can be removed, I done it windows 8 when i was using that, in fact i refused to allow the update to be installed, you can do that with windows 7 and 8.

        the problem is telemetry in Windows 10 is more integrated and can get much more info than Windows 7/8 version can.

      • The Dumb Genius says:

        "Sort of like Windows 7 updates right?"

        Yeah, you know.. the ones that you can choose NOT to install if you prefer to, unlike with Windows 10.

    • Chainsman says:

      Nah, they'll just download the ISO, mount it, and run the setup program. It will upgrade any activated system to Windows 10 Pro without any further questions.

      For unactivated systems, any valid Windows 7 product key will work.

      No charge. Free. There's no reason not to do it.

    • PrivateOne says:

      Disabled all Windows 7 updates after they were caught installing telemetry updates on 7-8.1...

      But yeah, for the average user, they get the hose again..

      Unless they rub the Windows on their hard drives skin..

    • pforbes says:

      Most people I know has already disabled updates since long ago.
      It is clear that for Microsoft any Windows 7 update is an excellent occasion to defend their own interests and not yours.

  11. R.E.A.L Human Rights says:

    Mark Wyciślik-Wilson writes: "Microsoft has already done a lot to encourage Windows 7 diehards to make the move to Windows 10" -- really? Such as? Because if that were really the case, they wouldn't be having this discussion, would they?

    Microsoft needs to communicate to the 50% (I suspect much more) of public still using Windows 7. Because many have seen Windows 10, and that is why they are still using Windows 7. You would think such a massive rejection of your product by the public would get Microsoft to rethink what and how they are selling their latest OS.

    • TechFan says:

      I think you need to look at the stats more. There are home users and corporate. We all get why corporate IT holds off on major Window releases. They are also the largest group of current Windows 7 uses (minus China, and illegal copies of Windows 7 to play PUBG).

      As for home users, I would bet Windows 7 is down to single digit users. Out of that, a small fraction that saw Windows 10 and can't handle change. The rest probably fall into, why. They have their smartphone, their iPads and not being super tech savvy, would rather just leave it and no worry about change at this time.

      But yes, sure, go with your logic that Windows 10 is being massively rejected :)

  12. 1DaveN says:

    I'll bet that if you ask consumers what OS their PCs run, half or more of them don't even know. Probably a good number of them don't even know it's Windows. They're running the OS that came on the PC that was on sale at Best Buy the day they decided to get a new one. And that's exactly why MS has to do this - to alert the people who don't know or care. Probably most of them will do nothing, again because they buy the PC rather than the OS, and they're not going to spend money or time to upgrade. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be warned, though.

    The people who know the difference are those who love or hate Win10 - the tiny minority who post here. Regular consumers who use their PC to do the taxes and browse a little porn don't even remotely care about OS.

    • Jim Hall says:

      Most people don't browse a "little" porn. They either don't browse porn at all, or go all in, becoming process addicted.

      • MyDisqussion says:

        Americans love their porn. Also on TV and theaters (Girls, Westworld, 50 Shades of Gray).

        7. Porn sites receive more regular traffic than Netflix, Amazon, & Twitter combined each month.

        8. 35% of all internet downloads are porn-related.

        (Finding the actual source is left as an exercise for James Kelly.)

      • TechFan says:

        For the record, I loved Westworld (and porn) but never saw/read 50 Shades or Girls :)

      • MyDisqussion says:

        I haven't seen any of them. There's also OITNB.

      • John says:

        You must check out Westworld, it's very good.

      • MyDisqussion says:

        Isn't that about androids?

      • Jim Hall says:

        There's a huge difference between loving it and being addicted to it.

      • MyDisqussion says:

        You are correct. Adult entertainment, like other things, can be overindulged.

      • MyDisqussion says:

        The trick is being able to determine when adult entertainment, or any other activity, moves from casual into addiction.

      • MyDisqussion says:

        Any activity, adult entertainment, gambling, drinking, can be taken too far.

      • infekt_me says:

        I am pretty sure that's wrong... You either browse it or you lie about browsing it.

      • Jim Hall says:

        You are wrong. I don't browse it. Porn is a useless, addictive behavior.

  13. roborat says:

    ”pester W7 users... with pop-up notifications”

    If only W7 had a notification center to organise messages to stop it from pestering users. Hmmmm.

    • MyDisqussion says:

      How about a Settings panel to manage them?

    • Adrian S says:

      w7 never pestered me with messages.

      • James Kelly says:

        Except to upgrade to SP1, SP2, Windows 10 (2015/16) and Windows 10 again (2019/2020).

      • Adrian S says:

        wow, so it pestered me twice to update to two service packs and to be honest I do not even remember it doing that, because unlike windows 10 I could turn off updating and turn it on when I wanted it.

        As for the pestering to update to Windows 10, well that was not a windows 7 thing, that is Ms adding it to windows 7.

  14. bscabl says:

    i have windows 7 on this pc. Why? I upgraded it to 8, then 8.1, then 10 [as it came].. then 10 forced a video update on my card [card runs 3 monitors] and i ended up blackscreened and after spending hours on the phone with MS they couldnt fix it. back to windows7 i went.. havent turned back.

    • TechFan says:

      There was a crap load of the same issues when Vista came out, and even Windows 7. And of course, Windows 10. But look at you now, you are on Windows 7. Windows 10 had it's growing pains too, but it has been out for a couple years now with some serious updates, and vendor (graphic card driver) improvements. Of course, if your video card is AMD...well...

      • bscabl says:

        Video card is Nvidia. I'm extraordinarily apprehensive about putting 10 on this machine again. I don't have the time or energy to start over again

      • TechFan says:

        I get it, I would be apprehensive too. The good news, you have good taste in Video cards (I am a huge fan of Nvidia). I have posted here before that I don't believe Windows 10 was ready/stable when it was released (I get why MS had to, but...). But it's a very different OS from day one.

        If your slightly tech savvy, I recommend picking up a cheap SSD drive, make it your new C drive, test out the latest build. 50 bucks will get you 256Gig SSD on Newegg. Of course get a size that works for you. If it doesn't work, keep the SSD, make it a D drive, and use as a data backup drive, or junk drive.

      • bscabl says:

        That's actually a fairly good idea. I can use it to dual boot for now then switch when I am comfortable.

      • TechFan says:

        I do recommend going with Pro (if possible). Most of it is the same as Home but you get a lot more controls on updates (like pushing them off, but still get security updates).

      • Adrian S says:

        Nothing wrong with AMD cards.

      • TechFan says:

        The cards are great - they even power the Xbox One and PS4. It has always been about drivers. Not that Nvidia is flawless, but for the most part, I believe Nvidia has better programmers. And we all know their hardware team rocks (expensive though).

      • Adrian S says:

        the drivers have improved since AMD took ATI over, sure there may still be problems for gamers, but I am not a gamer.,

        Nvida drivers comes with a load of bloat if you are not careful.

        I am thinking of updatiing my video card maybe in the summer, I have aMD at the moment, but I may change to Nvidia, that is if my video editing software will make more use of it, if not then I will stay with AMD.

  15. Pokiept says:

    How does one migrate from Windows 7 to windows 10 when your computer doesn't have the room for windows 10?????

    • TechFan says:

      It will tell you that more room is needed.
      But if you are that low on space, there are already problems coming around the corner.

    • James Kelly says:

      If it has room for Windows 7, it has room for Windows 10.

      • Fantasm says:

        wrong....

        "If you want to run Windows 7 on your PC, here's what it takes:
        16 GB available hard disk space (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit)"

        "System requirements for installing Windows 10
        Hard drive space: 16 GB for 32-bit OS 32 GB for 64-bit OS"
        See, 64bit windows 10 requires 12 gigs of space more....

        Source: Microsoft

      • James Kelly says:

        'Wow lol', 12GB? Is that all you've got to go on?

        This is 2019, not 1989. If you don't have 12GB of free space, then that is very easily resolved. Stop making a mountain out of a molehill.

      • Fantasm says:

        "Stop making a mountain out of a molehill."

        I wasn't...

        YOU were the one that said:
        "If it has room for Windows 7, it has room for Windows 10."

        You love nit-picking other people's comments but you don't like it back is that it?

      • James Kelly says:

        That point I raised was/is correct - only the 64 bit version requires more.

        You posted the evidence yourself, remember?

      • Fantasm says:

        Is it? Seems to me the more common 64 bit needs more space, hardly fitting your comment of:

        "If it has room for Windows 7, it has room for Windows 10."
        I don't recall seeing you qualify it as being only the 64 bit version in your original comment....

        You posted the original comment yourself, remember?

      • James Kelly says:

        Incorrect, try reading the history.

      • Fantasm says:

        I did....

  16. RealGomer says:

    "the most secure Windows ever"? Puh-leez. If it's so secure, why are there so many attavk and compromises against it? I haven't had a lick of problems with Win7 since day one. Oh, wait. I don't click on every link I see or open every email and attachments I receive.

    • MyDisqussion says:

      There are probably as many threats from Microsoft itself as there are external threats.

    • TechFan says:

      You lost us as Puh-leez :)

    • Adrian S says:

      Was that not what was said about Windows Xp and yet they had that problem where a virus got in and shut down the machine?
      i remember that well, i did not have a router in those days, just a ADSL modem as routers was not really a thing home users had, so as soon as I went on line, bang down it went.

  17. infekt_me says:

    Bully? You are using an OS from a decade ago. Don't like Windows 10, fine but you either accept their terms that there will be no more support or move to a different OS entirely. Windows 7 will continue to work but it will no longer get any patches or fixes.

    If you are ok with that, you are good but don't be surprised when other companies stop supporting it as well.

  18. Azmodeus says:

    Does Apple give you much choice if you want updates either?

  19. The user formerly known as Zoo says:

    If they offer free 10 upgrade I'll eventually take it before 7 EOL, otherwise run 7 past its life.

    • TechFan says:

      While we all know you can still get it free - It sure would be nice for Microsoft to make a public announcement.

  20. Fantasm says:

    Honestly, reminding people that Windows 7 is nearing the end of it's lifespan is a good idea... covers those that missed it, reminds those that might have forgotten....

    As long as it's not an endless stream of 'reminders' it should be ok....

    In some ways, I kind of wish everyone was on Windows 10 by choice. That would mean it was good enough for everyone. Instead, it's an OS that's more tolerated than appreciated by many other than the fanboys...

    I really had hopes for Windows 10. After the fiasco of Windows 8, I was surprised that Microsoft essentially doubled down on a lot of the short comings, such as 'Tiles' and the plain flat UI.... I was hoping for better....

    I'd bet if it hadn't been pushed out in so many ways and FREE ( or at least a trade in ), then it would be about as popular as Windows 8... They needed to avoid a disaster like W8 so they gave it away, tricked and nagged, shilled and tried to force it on as many as possible... The fact that they had to do so, says much about it....

    • roborat says:

      There’s quite a few reasons why I think MS gave W10 for free. The biggest one is to rapidly increase the user base of UWP so developers flock to it. The other is to avoid too much OS fragmentation. They were hoping to move w8 users quickly to 10 and not spend too much resource maintaining it.

      I think the people here assume too much that the quality of the Windows version impacts it's sales. Most people decide to either buy a Mac or a PC (sometimes Chromebooks). OS quality plays a lesser role. The bulk of the sale comes from enterprise and they couldn’t care less if there’s tiles on it. If you look at PC sales volume throughout its history you’ll find that Windows releases never had any negative effects on it.

    • TechFan says:

      I think most consumers, by choice, grabbed Windows 10. At least during the majority of the first year. It was that last 6 weeks that MS got super aggressive (and the X meaning more than close the current window). Your word tolerated is probably correct for many, as it was the only path to get a Start Menu back (for most...yes...there are 3rd party tools). However, after the first service pack (can't remember what they called it), tolerated is no longer the choice of words, it was more polished, stable and obvious MS had long term plans to give it love. And MS has done so.
      While Tiles might be what they wanted, you don't have to use them. My start menu is full of static icons. In fact, we are rolling Windows 10 our at work 33K+ employees, and that 'tile' area of start menu has turned out to be a great launcher. All the business apps are there and no longer on their desktop.

      I like the flat UI myself, but believe it's time for MS to add serious themes to Windows 10. It's time.

      At this time, Windows 10 is simply just better than Windows 7. The list of benefits, functions, capabilities is huge vs 7. If someone simply can't stand the new Start Menu - they can get Start10 and move on.

    • James Kelly says:

      I upvoted you for the first two paragraphs, then you lost your way and changed my mind. Downvoted.

    • MJ says:

      "In some ways, I kind of wish everyone was on Windows 10 by choice. That
      would mean it was good enough for everyone. Instead, it's an OS that's
      more tolerated than appreciated by many other than the fanboys..."

      I agree, all Microsoft had to do was a few things, 1. A switch that turns telemetry 100% off. 2. Put the programs/features that a lot of W10 users disable in the a "Turn Windows features on or off" section so that the average user could turn off or on what they wanted. Yes you can do it with power shell, but you would be (or maybe not) surprised how many people don't have a clue how to do that. 3. Give all versions of Windows 10 the ability to shut off or delay updates. But that might be a problem since they only want to support the current release & if you froze your updates on a previous build, that last build would have a short support life.

      They could still do it now..... I bet all that telemetry shows that the majority don't like the store, cortana, the apps, live tiles, timeline, etc. Does that mean they do listen or they don't? I am going with they don't.

      • TechFan says:

        I think the demand for turning of telemetry (anonymous info) isn't really a huge problem for people. I have been begging Google to do the same, even let me pay so I can use their products and services anonymously, with ZERO luck. With the success of Android, Alexa, Facebook...the list goes on...people just don't care. And in the big picture, they all make Windows 10 look like child's play. Remember, MS only gets more access as you give it, which most probably do, as you get more benefits.

        For turning this on or off - At a minimum, during setup, explain some features and offer on or off - Even Cortana, how cool would it be if they offered Cortana or Alexa (like they do the Xbox). I also think you are too hung up on Live Tiles man, you can unpin them all and collapse that area.

        Updates - Even with past versions, most just put Auto Update, I see Windows 10 as more advanced in this area, but they could increase the max time, like 2-3 years out, or 1 month before you must have have the new version.

        I still want built in themes support :)

      • MJ says:

        " I also think you are too hung up on Live Tiles man, you can unpin them all and collapse that area."

        I don't think I am hung up on them, I know how to get rid of them (something I don't have to worry about with LTSB/LTSC). I was talking about making it easier for the average person to disable features if they didn't want them.

        As for the other outside services that you mentioned (google, facebook etc,), I don't' feel any of those services or companies are worth using if I have to give up my privacy. I even stopped buying newer cars when all the choices were connected to a service provider of some sort. Again, for me, NO convenience is worth giving up my privacy.

      • Fantasm says:

        "As for the other outside services that you mentioned (google, facebook etc,),"

        At the same time, those outside services really only get what you give them... You're not going to edit photos on Google, or Facebook, you're not going to compose legal documents on Google or Facebook...
        Being on those outside services is like being out in public... you're not going to expose everything to the world in public....

        Your computer on the other hand is supposed to be like the privacy of your own home....

      • MJ says:

        True, your computer should be as private as your home. However, is your home private if your using any of those services to include Alexa or any of the other virtual assistants or services? Funny story, the owner of my company's wife (who is one of the most paranoid but uninformed people I know) was all in on the google assistant until she found out that for the device to work it has to listen to everything that is going on. The next day he said they (the devices) were all in the trash. I still think at least 50% of the people that use services like what we are talking about are uninformed & the other 50% just don't care or are exhibitionist.

      • Fantasm says:

        "The next day he said they (the devices) were all in the trash."

        And probably the same thing would happen with Windows 10 if people realised...

      • Fantasm says:

        "I still want built in themes support :)"

        Agreed...

  21. Tobin Drake says:

    Would it be so hard for Microsoft to continue to support their own product since Windows 10 is not seen as a good upgrade for many users? Of course not. The problem is that Windows 10 is an awful OS. The fact is Windows 10 is a poor upgrade from the working environment of Windows 7. And unless and until Microsoft is willing to acknowledge that problem with Windows 10 and fix it, it will remain a serious problem for many users.

    • TechFan says:

      "the problem is that Windows 10 is an awful OS."
      No....not really.
      Trying to figure out why you would even say that.

      • Tasburath says:

        I keep trying to go to Windows 10 on my gaming PC. It's just not going to happen on my current build.

        It has the following specs:

        Intel i7-3770K CPU (Older but still a 3.5 GHz quad core)
        16 GB DDR3 RAM
        Multiple SSDs
        nVidia 1070 GPU

        I did a clean install of Windows 10 Education on it because the Division 2 was releasing this week and I wanted to take advantage of DirectX 12. It was completely patched and had all of the latest drivers.

        Loaded the game on it and it crashed several times per hour with an unknown file version. Not only that, the game was using consistently over 90% of the CPU.

        Just for kicks I wiped the machine and put Windows 8.1 back on it. Hasn't crashed once and the CPU has yet to get above 70% utilization.

        Windows 10 may be a great OS (it's better than it was at release), but it has issues with some older hardware.

      • TechFan says:

        Wow - what a bummer. It probably has to be your mobo. Mine system is old, but high specs at that time (your specs, but I just put in in the Nvidia 2060). But you have the same problem I have, your specs are so good, it's hard to justify a new mobo and cpu (the rest you can bring with you).

  22. TechFan says:

    For the people that have Windows 7 Home, MS just announced they are making Windows Home more like Windows Pro with updating options - as you will be able to delay major ones and/or control getting just security updates separate from other non-security updates. Good news for many Windows 7 Home Users.

    • Slavic says:

      I know, direct link to a source isn't welcome here, but with some spaces... OK?

      • TechFan says:

        Just search for this
        windows-10-home-users-to-be-able-to-defer-updates
        It will show you several sources. I am more of a NeoWin kind of guy.

  23. James Kelly says:

    February data just released from W3schools:

    Windows 10 UP to 50.7% from 49.9% in January.
    Windows 7 DOWN to 18.0% from 18.8% in January.
    Windows 8 DOWN to 5.2% from 5.4% in January.
    Linux DOWN to 5.9% from 6.1% in January.

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    @betanews-82f665bee73bbca921a83fa2bbe93f49:disqus
    @betanews-92b5e9dae4200367fc5d494d3af0690e:disqus

    • MyDisqussion says:

      So what you are saying is that, after four years, Windows X has now finally moved from a plurality of systems to a majority of systems. Wow, how underwhelming.

      • James Kelly says:

        In that case, the uptake of Windows 7 must have been equally 'underwhelming' as, according to the same source (W3schools), Windows 7 took 43 months to pass the 50% mark.

        Windows 10 briefly hit 50% on W3schools in November 2018 (44 months after launch), before falling back to 49.5%.

        In other words, they are more-or-less neck and neck in terms of uptake.

        Now, the fanboys will no doubt divert/deflect and say that Windows 10 was/is free, etc. but I will remind them that Windows 7's only real competition was Windows XP, with a bit of Vista thrown in the mix. Windows 10 on the other hand has been up against 8, 7, Vista and the leftovers of XP - not to mention increased competition from Apple and mobile devices.

        Therefore, not 'underwhelming' in the slightest.

      • Fantasm says:

        In that case, the uptake of Windows 7 must have been equally 'underwhelming'

        And you know that's not true....
        Windows 7 was not offered 'FREE'
        Windows 7 was not sent out as a hidden download to people's computers...
        Windows 7 in many cases required a hardware upgrade to run...
        Windows 7 required someone to actually go out and buy the physical disk...

        Windows 7 required you to lay out good money to upgrade....
        Windows 7 also required a DVD drive in a time when most PC only had a CD ROM drive....
        Windows 7 was not forced onto people's computers
        Windows 7 did not have the GWX nagging...
        Windows 7 had to compete with a great OS, XP, not the fiasco of Windows 8

      • James Kelly says:

        Yet despite all that, Windows 10 has hit 50% usage on a very similar timescale to Windows 7 - just 1 month difference, well within the margin of error for the usage trackers. You don't like that, do you?

        Source: W3schools.

      • Fantasm says:

        Similar timescale?

        It should have been at 50% usage within a year. It had everything going for it....

        It was free, forced and followed a crappy version of Windows and despite all that, and the nagging and shilling...still took this long!

        If it had been as good as you claim, it should have far surpassed Windows 7 usage within a year....

        That's not something to brag about...

        "You don't like that, do you?"
        I really don't care.... Not all of us have the same obsession with Windows that you do....

        I gain nothing from Windows 10...
        Whether it does well or not is not going to affect me at all....

        I got a Windows 10 tablet when it came out... and was so disappointed... I was expecting Microsoft to come out with an amazing version of Windows, instead we got something suitable for children and the weak minded....

      • James Kelly says:

        Yet, despite 'never' using it, you still charge the battery once a month just to "see if it still works". Yeah, right.

      • Fantasm says:

        Yes, same as I charge my android tablets as well....

        Same as I charge other things....

        Why is that so hard for you to understand...?

      • James Kelly says:

        Why are you charging a device that you quote "never use"? WHY?

      • Fantasm says:

        So the battery doesn't degrade....

  24. James Kelly says:

    1. "There is literally no compelling reason for me to go to Windows 10..."
    2. "I have no desire to switch to W10."
    3. "But unless MS learns from the failures, it will just be another pile of crap..."
    4. "As you say, W10, is not wanted by many even for free..."
    5. "I think what we are seeing is people who are reinstalling their old OS when they need to do a reinstall for whatever reason."
    6. "It's an easy choice, most people already have the disks for W7 or W8.... So they just pop them in and reinstall...."
    7. "Me, I'm still happy with Windows 7...."
    8. "I have no desire to be tied to a universal platform anyway. I prefer my systems to be different." - Fantasm
    9. "No universal platform for me...."
    10. "But the fact is, many of us tried it and decided for many reasons that we don't like Windows 10."
    11. "I was in a place a few years ago that needced a company mission statement.... I came up with and instituted it. I can't even remember the wording these days. It was some mindless fluff to look good to outsiders and keep the sheep workers inline..."
    12. "That shows people are actively choosing to reject Windows 10 after trying it and they are going back to the older operating systems."
    13. "If Microsoft hadn't forced, begged, nagged and so on, windows 10 would have been a complete failure"
    14. "W10 really doesn't have all that much to offer to be worth the extrra work for many people."

    Source:
    "Bad news for Microsoft as Windows 10's market share flatlines"
    Betanews, November 1st 2016.

    All of those sources are just a selection of the comments from @disqus_t0K9dD72qA:disqus in a single Betanews article - not even the full selection, and yet we're expected to believe he can't remember posting such rubbish?

    @disqus_XIBYCmZUVq:disqus

    • Fantasm says:

      There's not a single part of that saying I will never run it... You are a dolt...
      Try again....

  25. James Kelly says:

    It generated a lot of debate last month, so here again are the half-monthly figures for the first half of March.

    Source: Statcounter.

    In the past 15 days, Windows 10 has gained another 0.65% (to 55.43% from 54.78% on 28th Feb). In the same fortnight, Windows 7 has lost another 0.35% usage share (to 33.54% from 33.89% on 28th Feb).

    Now the fanboys would be all over this if the tables were turned. I, however, will point out these figures are over a shorter timeframe and are therefore more volatile than the full monthly figures, but they give a good idea of the direction of travel and it looks like yet another record month for Windows 10 - still gaining whilst Windows 7 = failing.

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    • MyDisqussion says:

      w3countrers reports in Feb 2019 that Windows X had a 16% market share, with Android 8 and Windows 7 at 14%. IE is at 2.72%, and Edge must have fallen off the top 10.

    • Georgia Little says:

      Definitions change throughout time. [Red, Blue], [Fail, Work], etc. One learns to be flexible or you go down with the ship,

      Windows 7 works great for me and millions of others. Win10, not so much.

      It must hurt when you want everyone to be like you but most could care less what a [paid?] troll wants.

      • James Kelly says:

        "One learns to be flexible or you go down with the ship"
        "Windows 7 works great for me and millions of others."

        Except it's the Windows 7 ship that is sinking.

      • Georgia Little says:

        Glug, glug, glug, I'm melting! Is that the best you can do James bot?

  26. Kilgore Trout says:

    If people are so worried about telemetry why not just run ShutUp10 and be done with it?

  27. Mariah Dakota Smyth says:

    Pester sounds like a small annoyance, the pop up I got today sounds more like they are threatening my data if I don't upgrade. Of course they want to help me back it up to "prepare for what's next." Looks like a threat to me.

  28. Ben says:

    "Microsoft has already done a lot to encourage Windows 7 diehards to make the move to Windows 10"

    They sure have by regressing on functionality in so many areas:

    (1) Anything that depends on the Windows Media Center API will fail to work on Windows 10. There is no attempt to try to offer a compatible alternative.

    (2) Some Windows 7 applications will automatically be deleted such as Solitaire and Minesweeper

    (3) If you get another copy of the Windows 7 app that were deleted, you will find they have been arbitrarily blacklisted from running unless modified to avoid the blacklist

    (4) The official method to get the free Windows 7 applications back is to get ones with advertisements or to re-buy them

    (5) The full Windows Update functionality that was in Windows 7 Home requires paying extra for Windows 10 Pro

    (6) At least Windows 10 Pro will allow using the more advanced ReFS file system. Oops! Spoke too soon, Fall Creators "Update" cripple it because with Windows 10 OS as a service existing functionality can be crippled/removed as Microsoft desires.

    In terms of security, Windows 10 now comes with Windows Defender built-in with such amazing concepts as performing all analysis in a process running as the *system* user. The end result is when there is an analysis security exploit such as the unrar vulnerability, Windows Defender becomes a privilege escalation exploit! Best practices is to analysis untrusted content as an unprivileged user which Microsoft has decided to violates as part of their security model.

    If you try to avoid Windows Defender anti-security feature by using a third party anti-virus, Microsoft penalizes you with the April 2019 Sluggish as a Service Update by turning back on Windows Defender to compete with the owner's selected AV against the owner's wishes.

    Windows 10 Edge web browser was found to have a secret whitelist to automatically run Adobe Flash regardless of if the user attempted to enable click to play protection.

    Windows 10 still does unsalted MD4 hashing of passwords in the local Windows Security Account Manager just the same as Windows 7 does. Even when Windows 7 did this, it was a violation of best practices when recommends salting password hashes to avoid rainbow tables for brute force discovery of passwords. The authors of MD4 recommended using MD5 instead starting in 1992. They then recommended using MD6 instead as of 2008. All of these recommendations are still equally ignored with Windows 10 as they were with Windows 7 with no sign of attempting to make progress of fixing it.

    The list goes on and on of regressions and worse behavior in the latest operating system offering from the company headquarters at "One Microsoft Way."

    Microsoft is not even trying to follow best practices while posturing to be "the most secure Windows ever."

    With behavior like that to motivate users, I wonder why there isn't more lambs that follow Matt Barlow's advice to downgrade to Microsoft's most crippled horrific operating system ever. This is Windows ME made ten times as bad which I guess explains the name.

    The best upgrade options from Windows 7 is either Mac OS X, Chrome OS or Linux.

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