Even if you like Windows 10, you should be angry at Microsoft

Sad girl Windows 10 laptop

As I’ve said numerous times in the past, I actually like Windows 10. It’s still rough around the edges -- and the Anniversary Update, out in July, won’t fully change that -- but what I don’t like is Microsoft’s aggressive, relentless pushing of the OS on to people who not only don’t want it but have expressly rejected it.

It’s scummy behavior, totally unbefitting of a company of Microsoft’s size and reputation. The latest trick, making closing an unwanted upgrade popup the same as agreeing to the upgrade, should have people brandishing pitchforks and flaming torches and marching on Redmond, but it doesn’t. Why? Because Microsoft’s shitty tricks are now what we expect from the company which doesn’t care in the slightest about its customers.

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I get countless emails from people who have spent ages undoing the damage Microsoft has caused by upgrading their PCs without permission.

There’s a good comment piece on the Guardian, which bemoans how the unwanted software update moved the writer’s files, broke her printer, and stopped the sound on BBC iPlayer. This, sadly, is far from an isolated occurrence, it’s commonplace. Microsoft wants to get Windows 10 on a billion devices, and it’s going to hit that target even if Satya Nadella has to smash his way into your home and install it on your PC while you sleep. Sure, your computer might not work afterwards, but who cares, right? Certainly not Microsoft.

Yes, you can rollback an unwanted Windows 10 upgrade, but how many users actually know how to do that? I’ve written several articles on the topic, and they generate a LOT of views on a daily basis. The message is clear, people don’t want to be forced to upgrade against their will, and they shouldn’t be made to.

SEE ALSO:

How to say goodbye to Windows 10 and revert to your previous operating system

How to say NO to Windows 10

How to uninstall the Windows 10 'Recommended' update and go back to Windows 7 or 8.1

How to block the Windows 10 'recommended' update on Windows 7 and 8.1

Don’t want Windows 10? Here's how to say no to the upgrade in Windows 7 and 8.1

If someone knocked on my door trying to sell me double glazing and I said no, I wouldn’t expect to come home the next day to find them installing new windows, but this is exactly the shit Microsoft is pulling.

The software giant says it’s doing this to get users to a "safer place" but frankly, that’s bollocks. That excuse suggests the company has its users’ best interests at heart, but screwing up people’s PCs, and tricking them into installing an update they’ve already rejected numerous times, shows that’s not the case.

All this nasty behavior is badly damaging the reputation of a great company and a decent operating system, and it’s sad to see.

Type "Windows 10 is" into Google and the autocomplete suggests, among other things, the operating system is "bad", "slow", "spyware", and a "virus". Bing pulls even fewer punches, saying Windows 10 is "rubbish", "crap", "awful", "horrible", and "slow". Neither search engine suggests anything positive about Windows 10.

Microsoft says once the free period expires on July 29, the Get Windows 10 (GWX) app will be removed from Windows 7 and 8.1 machines which have survived the bombardment, but will that be the end of Microsoft’s dirty campaign tricks? Somehow I doubt it.

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540 Responses to Even if you like Windows 10, you should be angry at Microsoft

  1. Patrick Gallagher says:

    People were pissed when cars started requiring seatbelts too,

  2. 1DaveN says:

    Without disagreeing that there was a lot of room for MS to handle this better, people should have good, restorable backups of their PCs. Where else in your life do you depend on a single copy or instance of something so important? And by the way, the process for blocking the Win10 upgrade is easy, so why didn't they do it before waking up to a rude surprise?

    Maybe MS is acting badly, but that doesn't mean people should have an avoidable experience and then complain about it after the fact. We don't go around hitting potholes just because the transportation department didn't fix them - we drive around.

  3. roborat says:

    Let's not forget that a vast majority of people on W10 are quite happy with the new OS. Why focus on the handful who creates too much drama over something so trivial.

    Where will humanity be today if we listened to people who just hate anything new.

    • async2013 says:

      Oh yes! Where would humanity be if we all listened to hitler too

      • roborat says:

        Godwin's law. You lose.

      • async2013 says:

        "Godwin's law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as hyperbole when the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate"

        Gullible much?

      • PC_Tool says:

        "when the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate"

        Async, did you miss that part?

      • async2013 says:

        When a company makes a change so when you click "x" it still installs then yes the comparisons are very accurate

      • PC_Tool says:

        Ah. Changing the "x" is like gassing the Jews.

        Got it.

        Glad you cleared that up for me. Thanks.

      • async2013 says:

        If thats your total interpretation of what hitler entirely did then i suggest you go a learn more on the history

      • PC_Tool says:

        LMAO...dig that hole, bud.

        You made a derogatory reference to Microsoft using Hitler as an example. Pretty sure you weren't talking about flunking out of art school.

        Go play with botlman...

      • Ordeith says:

        Probably using Linux.

      • async2013 says:

        Or much worse Microsoft who make a program that when you click x (no to the average human being) it installs anyway!

    • BinBin2000 says:

      Really? all I see is bitching & moaning from people who have upgraded,they hate it,quit lying.

      • Ordeith says:

        You should get out more.

      • PC_Tool says:

        "all I see is bitching & moaning from people who have upgraded"

        I see you aren't counting anyone who's upgraded and claimed to like it. (Obviously because they are shills or fanboys, right?)

      • Captain555 says:

        Anybody who says they like Win 10, to me, it says I should not trust them, it says to me they must have a hidden agenda. To be frank with you, I don't believe it, that anybody really love working with Win 10, it just doesn't make sense.

      • PC_Tool says:

        Which pretty much makes your opinions on the subject as invalid as you think theirs are.

        Being able to accept that perspectives other than your own exist can be pretty hard. I get it.

      • roborat says:

        With over 300 Million installed, it's awfully quiet. The "bitching and moaning" is coming from the same handful non-W10 users.

      • BinBin2000 says:

        The 900+ Million W7 users are too busy enjoying their damned OS to care.

  4. conan007 says:

    Well...

  5. Peter Schott says:

    I guess I'm not really sure why whoever is in charge of the upgrade process at MS feels a need to push so hard for people to upgrade. Remind regularly if you want, but if they say "No thanks", close and let the user keep their current OS. Forcing the upgrade on people won't make any friends, even if everything runs well. If things start breaking like crazy due to missing drivers or app support, it just makes people upset. I have to jump through hoops to get an older app to run that doesn't really have a decent modern equivalent. If the upgrade had been forced on me even when I said "No" and my apps stopped working, I'd be pretty ticked.

    • Bryan says:

      Windows 10 is about Microsoft. NOT it's customers.. It's becoming a huge advertising platform for the company and they're salivating at the potential revenue from delivering ads to 1 billion users and collecting telemetry data to abuse for those very users.. Make no mistake, Windows 10 is not for the benefit of the consumer.

  6. Kevin Wilson says:

    At some point in the interest of technology moving forward, you have to make a choice. Especially if you are a tech company, where staying on the cutting edge is necessary for survival. The real tragedy would be if they were not giving it away. MS can't keep supporting Vista, 7, and 8 forever, the cost burden is too great, and uses resources better used for innovation. And like previously stated, there are options.

    • BinBin2000 says:

      The cost burden is too great lol...awee shucks poor multi-billion dollar company has to spend a few dollars,poor babies.

    • async2013 says:

      Classic case of you've made your bed now lie in it

  7. WP7Mango says:

    I agree, it's crappy behaviour. Fortunately, I upgraded ages ago and I'm very happy I did, so I don't get to see these prompts.

    So, whilst I'm not happy with Microsoft for this current forceful behaviour, I'm very happy with Windows 10 as a user and would highly recommend anyone to upgrade, or buy a new device with it pre-installed.

    BTW, I don't think average Joe types "Windows 10 is" into the search engine. They will probably just type "windows 10" without the "is", and that gives plenty of positive results, especially various tech reviews.

    • pi may says:

      you F&*king smug little dipshit, google windows 10 upgrade trick. STFU and FU loser

      • WP7Mango says:

        Aww, poor pi may, mummy told you to go to bed early, so you've decided to throw all your toys out? LMFAO.

      • async2013 says:

        Just past your bed time wanko or do i have to put you straight again?

      • WP7Mango says:

        Aw, don't tell me your mummy called you to bed early too? That must really suck for you. Night night Ass-Ink-2013.

      • async2013 says:

        No i'm just getting ready for a damn good f**k with the wife little boy ;)

      • WP7Mango says:

        off you go then!

      • pi may says:

        go bing it twatboy, look at the scale of this mess, rofl. go tell everyone how happen you are.

      • pi may says:

        stupid twat, google "windows 10 upgrade trick" filter last week, then spend the next month trying your stupid shilling and you won't address 1% of the damage, good luck shillboy, do you get paid in cash or MS points?

      • WP7Mango says:

        Why should I Google anything? Firstly, I use Bing. Secondly, why would I search for "windows 10 upgrade trick"? Twat.

      • async2013 says:

        Wow the matches are less than a day old too now thats impressive even for the trolls at Redmond

      • pi may says:

        look at all the posts from everyone in the tech world dumbF78k.
        it's a disaster, then have mum make you a toast sandwich make sure she removes the crust.

      • ATL_VM says:

        >>look at all the posts from everyone in the tech world dumbF78k<<

        OK kids this reminds me, don't do drugs.... don't know why I thought of this other than this raving lunatic..

        Is he writing in English or maybe he is trying out his new skills after his first quarter in English 101.

        BTW Windows 10 has been lauded (you can look that up later after you learn how to use proper punctuation and sentence structure) by everyone in the TECH World, its even been rated higher than previous versions of Windows..

        dumbF78k

      • async2013 says:

        Judging by your english i think we all need drugs to understand what you're saying and also why a guy nearly had a coronary over Google Chrome not having flash built in!

        Brilliant!

    • PC_Tool says:

      Hoest question; did you upgrade, or do a clean install?

      Every uprgade I've done of Windows 10 I've had to go back and either "reset", or more often the case (easier) put in my Win10 flash drive and clean-slate the thing.

      ...to the point I am wondering if the poor upgrade process (or what the user is left with when "complete") might be the cause of a lot of the hate going around.

      I've not had any issues on the clean installs I have done aside from AMD being inept, but I have had major frustration with any upgrade I've tried to use "as-is"....

      • WP7Mango says:

        "Honest question; did you upgrade, or do a clean install?"

        Both. On my old desktop and on the Surface Pro 3, I did an upgrade from Windows 8.1. On the Dell XPS 18 it was a clean install after I upgraded to a new SSD.

        I've not had any issues with either method.

      • PC_Tool says:

        Well, you're either lucky, or I am unlucky.

        Maybe a little of both. ;-)

      • WP7Mango says:

        Maybe it's because I upgraded from Windows 8.1, not from Windows 7.

      • PC_Tool says:

        That would be one difference. I've never been a fan of 8/8.1. The one system I had it on, we simply re-imaged with our test-image of Win10...(which has undergone many, many, many, many revisions. ;-)

  8. BinBin2000 says:

    It's a sh*t OS anyways,anyone who doesn't upgrade is NOT missing out on anything.

    • WP7Mango says:

      Recess is over little boy. Back to class you go!

      • BinBin2000 says:

        I'm honored you find my posts great enough to copy them ;)

      • WP7Mango says:

        I'm delighted that you feel so honoured.

      • ATL_VM says:

        >>I'm honored you find my posts great enough to copy them ;)<<

        Technically not a copy it was a creative license to improve it, a la version 7 to 10..

        And it wasn't great but its all you understand.

  9. WP7Mango says:

    Windows 10 is a fantastic OS. Anyone who doesn't upgrade is missing out on loads of awesome features and the best security.

    • async2013 says:

      LMFAO!!!

      • ATL_VM says:

        async the BinBin but sniffer fan boi.. he is just yes man BinBin needs!

      • async2013 says:

        I'm guessing English not your first language...

        Sorry IS not your first language
        LMAO

      • BinBin2000 says:

        I was scratchin' my damn head too :

      • async2013 says:

        Sounds like microsoft support in india! (No offence to law abiding indians of course! :))

        Let me edit this...actuallly its sounding more llike Microsoft's twitter bot is back

    • BinBin2000 says:

      Recess is over kiddo get back to class.

    • Captain555 says:

      I've read your reason before, and even today, I read you and it just doesn't ring true.

      Listen, every week, I read the the article "Top 10 best apps ....", and every time I look at the apps that are presented, it's games or toys that I just don't need to do my jobs. I have never found anything interesting to help me do my jobs better. What do I need to do my jobs ? I need Outlook, Excel, Word and a few browsers. I use Live Messenger to talk quickly to 3 different suppliers. I use WD Diags to test HD. I use Paragon HD manager and Acronis True Image to move partition and clone drive. I use PowerDVD to burn some DVD. I have 2 firewalls and use Avast Internet Security.

      Now you tell me, what exactly will Win 10 bring to me, that I don't already have ?

      I tried Windows 10. I'm on the insider program since the start. And I spend most of my saturdays testing it.

      • WP7Mango says:

        Don't worry, most of my comments today are simply counter-trolling.

        For me, the main reason I prefer Windows 10 is that it is much better for hybrid devices like my Surface Pro 3. There are apps in the store which are only available for Windows 10.

      • Captain555 says:

        Of course in tablet mode, I find 10 better than 8.1. Told you that before.

      • pi may says:

        how about addressing the PR disaster and google or bing windows 10 upgrade trick and actually address the issue.

      • WP7Mango says:

        It's not for me to address. I already said that I don't agree with it.

  10. BinBin2000 says:

    Windows 10 is essentially Windows 8 with more tracking and less feature control,remember how much we hated Windows 8?

  11. WP7Mango says:

    Windows 10 is essentially Windows 7 and Windows 8 combined, with better security and more features. Remember how much you love Windows 7? You'll love Windows 10 even more!!!

  12. pi may says:

    google "windows 10 upgrade trick" filter last week
    google "windows 10 upgrade trick" filter last week
    google "windows 10 upgrade trick" filter last week
    google "windows 10 upgrade trick" filter last week
    google "windows 10 upgrade trick" filter last week

    WP7Mango is a wothrless troll/shill don't feed the troll!

  13. WP7Mango says:

    Bing "windows 10"
    Bing "windows 10"
    Bing "windows 10"
    Bing "windows 10"
    Bing "windows 10"

    Pi May is a worthless troll/shill don't feed the troll!

    • pi may says:

      Bing "windows 10"and trick, filter last week, look at what a giant mess they have made.

  14. BinBin2000 says:

    R.i.p techagnostic... gone to fanboy heaven.Send me a postcard.

  15. pappawtom says:

    When people bought Vista and did not like they mostly used it anyway because they had paid for it. I know there was no push on their computer to buy it except in normal advertising. Go into an auto dealership to look at a car and see how pushy the salesmen are in there or better yet insurance salesmen, I use men because they tend to be pushier when selling is their business. Walk into any store and see all the pushy sales stuff in your face, my favorite was the large signs I saw in Sears years ago telling you how much you would save in small print with large numbers of the amount you saved while the actual price was in smaller print. Turn on your TV and see how many ads are in your face trying to get you to buy something. You pay for your TV service today and see all the ads in your face. What about on this site all those ads that come up slowing down the loading of the site? Is that the same?

  16. Bryan says:

    Windows 10 is a product of the marketing division.. Like Windows ME and Vista before it.. Every time Marketing is given leeway in product design we end up with a miserable experience. 10 is currently a hybrid mess.. Give it a couple years and see if it improves..

    Meanwhile it's rather easy to prevent being exposed to GWX. Enter the two registry entries Microsoft has published (DisableGwx, and DisableOSUpgrade) and avoid installing KB3035583 and you'll never see the upgrade prompts.

    • BinBin2000 says:

      Better yet install Linux and let this ignorant company stew in it's own tears.

      • Ordeith says:

        Go ahead, we won't miss ya.

      • psycros says:

        Linux isn't anywhere near friendly enough yet, despite all the progress made in the last decade.

      • async2013 says:

        It'll work for a majority of people though. OOTB too

      • Ordeith says:

        Linux will work for so much of the majority that only the tiniest of minorities use it.
        I think they use the same logic for Windows Phone.

      • async2013 says:

        Get your facts straight, only the minorities use either because

        A) they've never heard of it or
        B) They know how windows and Microsoft really work

        Anyway if it's such a minority MIcrosoft wont be incorporating Linux at all would they?

      • Ordeith says:

        C) (The vast majority) It doesn't really work for them.

      • async2013 says:

        The erm "vast" (shrinking) majority havent heard of it but once they do they think why didnt i go this way before?

      • Ordeith says:

        ^ Another argument that applies to Windows Phone. :)

      • ATL_VM says:

        >>It'll work for a majority of people though. OOTB too<<

        Spoken like someone who has NEVER had to support majority of people using an OS.. it will not work for majority you FOOL (especially OOTB), otherwise the market share would be much larger than 4%.. IDIOT.. I mean TWIT

      • async2013 says:

        Well if it doesnt work for a majority of people then why does Google use linux?

      • Ordeith says:

        Google has bastardized, exploited, controlled, and closed off Linux. What is left is barely identifiable as Linux and certainly lacks any UX that adheres to the loose principals claimed by the open source "community". Any Linux user that was a fan of the OS or believed in the OSS hype would rightly be angry at Google for what they have done and continue to do. Anyone who isn't is just a poser.

      • async2013 says:

        Of course! Still uses Linux at the core...now back on topic why are microsoft forcing installs when you click the "x" again?

      • BinBin2000 says:

        It's made great strides,even for myself (a Windows 7 lover) Desktop Linux is really pretty good.

  17. Conservative411 says:

    I use Windows 10 and love it. I also use Apple products and android products by the way so I am not a so called "fanboy". I actually want them or any company to push the latest OS/software on people as hard as they can. When everyone is up to date is makes the experience better and safer for us all. The more people

    • BinBin2000 says:

      I only use Microsoft products,and I HATE Windows 10.

      • WP7Mango says:

        You LOVE Windows 10. You just claim to hate it, but you secretly love it.

      • BinBin2000 says:

        I would rather use Windows 8.1

      • WP7Mango says:

        Nope, you love Windows 10.

      • BinBin2000 says:

        I love beer,bbq's and blondes in bikini's... not Windows 10.

      • WP7Mango says:

        You definitely love Windows 10. It's so obvious that you secretly love it.

      • BinBin2000 says:
      • PC_Tool says:

        Aw come on. Admit it. If it wasn't for Windows 10 and Betanews, you'd be bored to tears.

      • BinBin2000 says:

        I was one of the folk cussing out Vista on ZDNet back in '07,I always find decent fun ;)

      • ATL_VM says:

        >>I love beer,bbq's and blondes in bikini's... not Windows 10.<<

        Yeah nothing like the quintessential beer swilling fat ass chauvinist with penchant for ignorant statements about FREE OS upgrades

      • BinBin2000 says:

        You mad bro?

      • async2013 says:

        Talking of free OS upgrades...hows Linux going?

      • ATL_VM says:

        OK dumb ass you said you have Windows 7 then you HATE Windows 10 but you rather USE Windows 8.1?

        WTF.. you are obviously a TROLL

      • BinBin2000 says:

        What part of "rather" passed you by?

      • Conservative411 says:

        And that is your preference. It is impossible for any company to make something that everyone likes. With that said those that refuse to ever upgrade makes the digital world a lot less safe for the rest of us. Also the more people on Windows 10 the better it will get as developers adopt the platform.

      • pi may says:

        you and your pitiful safe for everyone crap again? you must be dumb as dirt if anyone else OS puts you at risk , I doubt that you even care anyway, just something to shill with, why don;t you bing or google windows 10 upgrade trick /filter 1 week and actually address the post instead of the stupid shilling again and again.

      • Conservative411 says:

        If you don't understand what I am saying then you apparently are not an expert in the field. I am.

      • pi may says:

        BULLSHIT, I know what your are and it's not an expert.
        how about you bing or google windows 10 upgrade trick and tell me how this isn't a PR disaster that's going viral, spare me the expert crap , I know way way better.

      • async2013 says:

        I got a stitch from this comment

        "you apparently are not an expert in the field. I am."

        Steve Ballmer is back!

      • Conservative411 says:

        All personal attacks and no content.

      • pi may says:

        and you still haven'y googled windows 10 upgrade trick and tell me how this isn't a PR disaster, what's the prob expert a$$hole ?

      • Conservative411 says:

        No content again just personal attacks. Keep it up.

      • pi may says:

        what a dumbF&*k you havn't addresed the topic of the post which is the deceptive acts of MS,, what's the problem? against the shill rule book to address the real issues?

      • Conservative411 says:

        There you go again. Now I will have to flag you.

      • pi may says:

        oh my, get a clue you stupid trumpanzee , no one cares what you think, get over your bad self, LOSER!

      • Conservative411 says:

        There you go AGAIN.

      • async2013 says:

        Oh and that wasn't a personal attack?

        "you apparently are not an expert in the field. I am."

        OMG!! You cant make this sh1t up!

      • Conservative411 says:

        That was a fact. This has been my living for over 20 years and I make a pretty darn good living.

      • Ordeith says:

        You just summed up the entire Linux community. :)

      • Conservative411 says:

        Perfect!

      • PC_Tool says:

        Are you really applying the "herd immunity" concept to Operating systems??

        I'd love to hear the rationale behind it (I haven't thought about that much, so it could be interesting.)

      • async2013 says:

        I actually agree with you Tool, that would be interesting

      • Conservative411 says:

        My point is that Neither Apple or Google or Linux or Microsoft will ever make anything that everyone loves, period. I personally like WIndows 10 so much that I have migrated all of the companies I manage to Windows 10 and I have not had one complaint.

      • PC_Tool says:

        ...that had nothing to do with the "herd immunity" bit.

        Specifically: " those that refuse to ever upgrade makes the digital world a lot less safe for the rest of us."

        ...but okay.

      • Conservative411 says:

        it absolutely does make it less safe. It is easier for hackers to hack in and use a non updated system as a host for sending out viruses. Windows 10 IS safer than even Windows 10 especially if you are using Microsoft Edge as your browser instead of IE.

      • PC_Tool says:

        "Windows 10 IS safer than even Windows 10"

        You...it...but the....

        I'm sure you meant 8...or 7, on one of those. Not sure which though.

        And I was wrong, you're not talking about herd-immunity, you're talking botnets.

        Sadly, Windows 10 will have them as well. I doubt we'd see a decrease in their numbers if more people upgraded, honestly.

      • ATL_VM says:

        >>And that is your preference. It is impossible for any company to make something that everyone likes.<<

        Except he claims to like them, which is abundantly clear he does not. Windows 10 is not much different from 7..

        Windows 10 improves on performance and driver support and also compatibility issues with older software.. oh yeah and its FREE

        Why would you HATE something that is FREE?!?!.. especially when its an improvement.

      • Conservative411 says:

        I agree with you 100%. I do however understand why some dont like it. People have gone nuts over telemetry and they dont want their os using their info. I for one like that my OS learns from me and brings me content that pertains to me.

      • async2013 says:

        Funny isnt that what google does?
        Disclaimer..in no way am i condoning google's behaviour but highlighting a fanboys inability to see their hypocrisy

      • Conservative411 says:

        I am not a "fanboy". I use all platforms in our company and at home.

      • ATL_VM says:

        >>I HATE Windows 10<<

        Uh huh and why is that? Windows 10 can be modified to suit your needs moron, so why would you HATE a customizable experience? Sounds to be like you want to see yourself bitch about nothing.

  18. Olivier Bambino I says:

    Stupid article!. you need to write about how stupid iPads are...

    • pi may says:

      google windows 10 and trick , filter last week, everyone is posting something similar, or google iPad if your so interested in them.

  19. John says:

    So the alternatives are Apple, where they'll upgrade you whenever they feel like it, or Google where they'll upgrade you whenever they feel like it AND mine your information for ad sales. I think people have become so accustomed to Microsoft's openness that they view a poorly thought out opt-in as some criminal conspiracy. Meanwhile, Apple is selling phones that claim to encrypt data connections that don't and Google's mantra is "Don't be evil" which is scary when you realize all of the behaviors that approach but don't cross the evil line.

    • async2013 says:

      "I think people have become so accustomed to Microsoft's openness..."

      Oh dear

    • Ðave says:

      GNU/Linux, FreeBSD...

    • psycros says:

      Too bad everyone knows you're lying.

    • Zootopiaӡססס says:

      The difference between Windows 7 and 10 is vast. For Windows 8 to 10 it's no big deal. As with most businesses today, MS is desperate in lackluster economic times.

      • ATL_VM says:

        >>The difference between Windows 7 and 10 is vast<<

        This is where ignorance meets hype you are not only WRONG but the 2 OS are more similar than you think..

        So the interface is different you lazy to learn something new?

      • BinBin2000 says:

        Multiple features removed, heavy usage tracking added.Aero, no Aero.A Control Panel that isn't going anywhere, PC Settings.No intrusive, useless personal assistant, an intrusive personal assistant.A UI with depth and vivid colors, a flat lifeless UI.No Telemetry, Telemetry.No Mobile Apps, Mobile Apps.Control over key features, no control at all.Oh yahhh so similar!

  20. truthbetold says:

    In a word or two...nut job.

  21. pi may says:

    google or bing windows 10 upgrade trick and filter last week

    google or bing windows 10 upgrade trick and filter last week

    google or bing windows 10 upgrade trick and filter last week

    witness the mess and don't feed the worthless shillboy/trollbot WP7Mango.

  22. Ordeith says:

    The time for people to reject that business model was when Google was implementing it (and Microsoft was offering themselves as an alternative to it). Google's success showed that people really don't care, and that the business model can be extremely lucrative, now other companies are free to emulate what Google started.

    Microsoft is still trying to find a balance between licensed revenue and Google's all out assault on privacy. They aren't as bad as Google, yet.

    But if people didn't want Google's brave new world they never should have participated in it in the first place.

    • async2013 says:

      This is about Microsoft ya twit

      • Ordeith says:

        It's interesting to see the extent of the evil you will promote as a justifiable means to your irrational desire for Microsoft's end.

      • async2013 says:

        It's still about Microsoft stop your huffing and puffing

      • Ordeith says:

        Your issues are about you. Start there.

      • async2013 says:

        Huff and puff all you like the article is about microsoft

      • ATL_VM says:

        >>irrational<<

        operative word.. people are basically limitless in their passion to be unsatisfied. They complain yet still use a product.. its quite amusing watching people live out their illogical erratic ego.

      • async2013 says:

        Some people are limitless in the irrational love for a conglomerate...your point?

    • psycros says:

      For the most part I agree with you. However, at this point Microsoft has made it very clear that they intend to to out-Google Google. I think it can be argued that Microsoft is every bit as evil as Google now, if only because their pushing their anti-consumer behavior onto the PC desktop. The last safe haven from the marketeers and illegal government surveillance is being compromised. If Windows 10 was actually a good product some people might be able to overlook the unprecedented assault on their safety and privacy - but its a terrible operating system that brings nothing of value to the consumer. Its predecessor was better in literally every way possible. Even the supposed marginal performance gains have now been completely debunked.

      • Ordeith says:

        Plenty of people have already compromised their desktop by installing Chrome (a majority according to some sites). People just can't be made to care.

        I wish it never happened, but we are clearly fighting a losing battle when it comes to privacy (not that I won't keep fighting, though).

        What bothers me is all the hypocritical Googlerati that just NOW discovered this thing called privacy, and are hell bent on only holding one company accountable for it (and still not the right company), while ignoring that they helped cause the situation in the first place.

      • async2013 says:

        Microsoft article.. we ALL know how bad Google and Apple are but Microsoft article...

      • Ordeith says:

        You have a strange desire to suppress the truth. Why does it bother you so?

      • async2013 says:

        They are ALL bad! Why does the truth bother you?

      • Ordeith says:

        It doesn't. but I know the source. You need to attack the roots, swatting at the branches won't get you anywhere.

      • async2013 says:

        Oh you know the source? Is that the source code of windows? LMFAO

      • Fantasm says:

        How does installing a different browser compromise a desktop?
        Chrome doesn't know what I do with Photoshop, or other photo editing software...
        Chrome doesn't know what I do with code I program...
        Chrome doesn't know what I type in a text editor... or spreadsheet...
        That being said, I don't use Chrome either...

  23. pi may says:

    google or bing windows 10 upgrade trick and filter last week
    google or bing windows 10 upgrade trick and filter last week
    google or bing windows 10 upgrade trick and filter last week
    google or bing windows 10 upgrade trick and filter last week
    google or bing windows 10 upgrade trick and filter last week

    look and the viral mess they have created with this stupid sleazy move.

  24. Zootopiaӡססס says:

    I just know that if I was a Windows 7 user who was erroneously upgraded to Windows 10, I'd certainly be &shypissed. I wonder what tech support is like when they get calls complaining about the upgrade. Instead of saying sorry and proceeding to help you get back to where you were, does tech support start off by saying how wonderful Windows 10 is compared to Windows 7?

    • ATL_VM says:

      >>I just know that if I was a Windows 7 user who was erroneously upgraded to Windows 10, I'd certainly be ­pissed<<

      Why would you be pissed? ITs better than what you have idiot.. and its FREE!!!

      • async2013 says:

        He's back! The guy that swore Chrome didn't have flash built in! He's back!
        Talks utter rubbish but damned funny!

      • BinBin2000 says:

        Lmao.

      • ATL_VM says:

        It still doesn't but you will never get programming.. go back to your 7th grade class, they are having Bieber dance contests.

      • async2013 says:

        Owned again

      • Zootopiaӡססס says:

        Consider it more like a 'portable' version of flash.

      • Zootopiaӡססס says:

        Son, just stop. Your parents just didn't raise you proper.

      • ATL_VM says:

        Don't call me 'son' .. dick lick.

        You are hardly one to talk about proper BOY, so go back to your burner.. kettle

      • Zootopiaӡססס says:

        Son, you're the one who went on an attack. As I said, you weren't raised proper. Windows 10 might be great for some, but many will just like Windows 7 more. It's a fact of life, get used to it and get over yourself.

      • Designer Doesbois says:

        "Dick lick" Coming from a baby raper, short eyed & short arm psychopath like yourself. Well fuck me LOL!

  25. ATL_VM says:

    >>like Windows 10.
    It’s still rough around the edges -- and the Anniversary Update, out in
    July, won’t fully change that -- but what I don’t like is Microsoft’s
    aggressive, relentless pushing of the OS on to people who not only don’t
    want it but have expressly rejected it.<<

    Points:

    1) wayne you and your moron editors at MW are idiots

    2) This is NOT new people have complained about MS marketing techniques (call it business decision) for YEARS, and what happens. nothing. you STILL use Windows. (yawn). This is getting old, shut up or put up (windows). Tired of you morons complaining if you don't like Windows and don't give me this BS about how you "like" Windows when its clear you DO NOT because you are bashing them, then STOP using it. It's that simple.

    3) MS is a company. ALL companies are in it for PROFIT, if you can't figure that part out go back to school. This is NOT new. Go look at ANY service agreement for ANY large company, MS, HP, IBM, SAP, they are ALL cookie cutter they are ALL the same.. they charge HUGE $$$ to have these contracts, why? So you will UPGRADE and stay up with CURRENT technology so they DON'T have to support you slow ass people that can't keep up. This is called a BUSINESS MODEL stupid.

    4) There are alternatives, Linux, MAC and a host of other freeware products. Use of of those, again STFU if you don't want to use Windows you don't HAVE to use Windows. PERIOD.

    5) Windows has been doing this SAME tactic since at LEAST Windows 95, nothing has changed, why all of a sudden Windows 10 is the bad, evil OS? It's not your memory is shot. This is EXACTLY what they did for each upgrade for 20 years, nothing new.. and STILL people use Windows, apparently you like to gripe but do NOTHING about it.

    Final, No one is forcing you to upgrade, but for reasons I just can't seem to get Windows has offered a FREE upgrade, something that people complained about for YEARS, M$ wants more money for EVERY upgrade, finally they DON'T make you pay and you lame brain people STILL can't be satisfied. It's a FREE upgrade, so what is the DAMN problem? Windows 10 is better, faster, more compatible.. don't care if you agree, its true, so upgrade or NOT but STOP WHINING. It doesn't apply to you if you do NOT upgrade, move on to something else or stop with the bitching already, this is getting silly. You get offered free upgrade you won't take it.. don't know why, you have your STUPID reasons NOT to upgrade, keep them to yourself, I don't care. Windows 10 is here its FREE for limited time, next time MS offers something for FREE remember for YEARS people said they would not, and now they do, and what happens.. people complain they don't want it.

    What the HELL is wrong with you people!?!?

    • async2013 says:

      I told you this guy was hilarious!

      • ATL_VM says:

        this guys.. English I am guessing not your first language..

      • async2013 says:

        What? I cant help laughing at your stupidity!

        "English I am guessing not your first language.."

        Or should that be

        "English I am guessing IS not your first language.."

        Stitch time!

      • ATL_VM says:

        >>What? I cant help laughing at your stupidity!<<

        You must be asian you can't type more than 1 sentence at a time.. what's the matter, trying to watch some toon porn and get distracted?

      • async2013 says:

        Owned yet again. Too easy people

      • Rock Smith says:

        You must be a pimple face kid who must have dyslexia.

    • Rock Smith says:

      Hey ALT.. you need SHIFT and DELETE as well to turn your stupidity off.

  26. pi may says:

    google or bing windows 10 upgrade trick and filter last week

    google or bing windows 10 upgrade trick and filter last week

    google or bing windows 10 upgrade trick and filter last week

    google or bing windows 10 upgrade trick and filter last week

    look and the viral mess they have created with this stupid sleazy move.

  27. PC_Tool says:

    Wow. The more articles Betanews posts about Windows 10- the more childish and vulgar the posters get.

    Made the mistake of scrolling all the way to the bottom on the comments. Adults are acting like this...no wonder the worlds going to hell.

    The "x" bit was rubbish. They should get slapped on that one by the Fed big-time. (Had MSFT just gone ahead with the "It's Windows, this is an update, you have 6 months." from the get-go, it'd blow over....this probably won't.)

    I'd love to know if any of the folks getting verifiably never "reserved" an upgrade. (Still a bit rubbish though...)

    • BinBin2000 says:

      What do you expect? you & your fangirls keep coming in here promoting W10 like some sort of spambot.We are warning people that upgrading to Windows 10 comes with MAGOR risks.

      • ATL_VM says:

        >>MAGOR<<

        English learn it crackhead - PC_Tool

        Its spelled M-A-J-O-R dumb ass

      • BinBin2000 says:

        Actually i'm kind of a POTHEAD lol that might account for my spelling malfunctions.

      • ATL_VM says:

        >>POTHEAD<<

        Wouldn't doubt it probably a throw back to woodstock.. I guess you sprinkle in some bourbon whiskey and moonshine too.. yeehaw!

        Don't blame the substance your ass is just an idget from birth.

      • BinBin2000 says:

        Awe shucks! ya got me! dunno how i'm EVER gonna recover.

      • PC_Tool says:

        Shocker. Not....

      • BinBin2000 says:

        A post from you below lol "async the BinBin but sniffer fan boi.. he is just yes man BinBin needs!" - I guess we are all prone to keyboard blindness once in a swiss cheese moon.

      • PC_Tool says:

        "you & your fangirls"

        ...and there it is.

        "promoting W10 "

        Defending it from lies and baseless accusations is hardly promoting. Sad you'd think it is....

        "We are warning people that upgrading to Windows 10 comes with MAGOR risks."

        Learn to spell.

      • BinBin2000 says:

        Yawn! keep trying.

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      • Fantasm says:

        I too actually did promote Windows 10 to one person...
        My Ex... LOL

      • BinBin2000 says:

        That's harsh lol.

    • ATL_VM says:

      >>Wow. The more articles Betanews posts about Windows 10- the more childish and vulgar the posters get.<<

      Now that's not true, the usual suspects NEVER matured in the FIRST place. People complain about stuff and then use it anyway, its so easy to press buttons, I just can't resist.

      Also I see lots of posts agreeing about installing software involuntarily which as we both know is NOT possible, people are liars.. and thus we have a clash of the nerds!

      We are on a tech site, I guess you can call it nerd rage..

      • async2013 says:

        woah! hold your horses there zorro!

        Trying to ride that high horse again? lmao

      • Fantasm says:

        I know one person who has had it install without her consent.
        The computer I set up to run windows 7 without blocking is still catching up it's updates (it's been sitting unused for over a year with windows 7 on it) and has not yet tried to install Windows 10 by itself... so we shall see...

      • Adrian S says:

        i know one as well, and now all they get is a black screen, I have to go and sort it at the weekend, the problem is while the computer is off line it makes running their business more difficult

      • Fantasm says:

        Yeah, the black screen thing took a little figuring out the first time I saw it on a friend's Pc... LOL
        It went back to Windows 7 as she didn't want to risk it happening again...

      • Adrian S says:

        I am not sure if it even gets into windows, they say it boos up, shows the name of the computer,k they mean the manufacture of the main board when the UEFI starts up, Windows seems to start loading and then it all goes black for about 4-5 mins and then reboots.

        How did you solve it?

      • Fantasm says:

        Apparently what happens is Windows 10 will send out put to a non existent monitor. So the idea is to wait long enough for it to get to the login screen... sometimes you can see a cursor if you move the mouse enough to slide from non-existent screen to the black screen ( I know, seems bizarre) (blank screen with a white mouse cursor)

        Then press the space-bar and enter your login password or pin (The space bar gets your cursor to the login prompt and yes you are going to be doing this blind...

        You should now be logged into windows
        if the desktop dose not appear after 30 seconds then press WindowsKey-P down arrow twice and enter.

        I hope this helps
        If not... Try the following

        "THIS PROBLEM HAS BEEN AN ONGOING ISSUE WITH WINDOWS 10.
        Below is a Microsoft Knoledge Base entry from April of this year.

        httpw://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3055414
        "The lock screen in Windows 10 Technical Preview Build 10061 might appear as a black screen with a mouse cursor
        Symptoms
        When you sign out of Windows 10 and return to the lock screen, you might see only a black screen with a responsive mouse cursor. Pressing the Alt+Tab keys or the Ctrl+Alt+Del keys has no visible effect.
        Workaround
        If you are experiencing this issue, follow these steps to sign into Windows:
        At the black screen, press the Ctrl key once on an attached physical keyboard. (You won’t see any visible change, but pressing the Ctrl key will place the cursor in the password box that you’re currently not able to see.)
        Now type the password of the user that just signed out and press Enter.This will sign you back into Windows and the desktop will appear.
        If you failed to sign in because you mistyped the password, press Enter once more. Then retype the password and press Enter." ... "

      • Adrian S says:

        Cheers for that, i will print that out and see if that is the problem, but I do not think it is as the computer reboots after a while, I alsoi do not think they have a paasword and the computer just used to boot up into windows.

        We will see.

    • Driven says:

      I never "reserved" an upgrade and thankfully was sitting at my computer when it started the "scheduled" upgrade ( yes I clicked the "x" to close the window just after they started this. like i had done for a month prior )

      I imagine others weren't so lucky and it will eventually bite Microsoft in the behind.

  28. pi may says:

    why the hell can't one of you fanboi/shilltards simply

    google or bing windows 10 upgrade trick and filter last week

    google or bing windows 10 upgrade trick and filter last week

    google or bing windows 10 upgrade trick and filter last week

    google or bing windows 10 upgrade trick and filter last week

    look and the viral mess they have created with this stupid sleazy move
    and address the situation instead of resorting to childish trolling tech. ?

  29. BinBin2000 says:

    All the reputable sites are warning users to stay away from Windows 10.Do your research before upgrading folks! you may ruin your OS experience due to Windows 10 being a serious headcase!

    • WP7Mango says:

      All the reputable sites are recommending users upgrade to Windows 10.

      Fixed it for you.

    • Ordeith says:

      You have a strange definition of "reputable". But then seeing which commenters you identify with pretty much explains things.

  30. BinBin2000 says:

    Don't let paid shills sway your opinions folks! users like Ordeith & WP7Mango are paid to promote.Take it from users such as myself who have been using Windows since the late 80's/early 90's... we know what we are talking about! steer clear of Windows 10! protect your current OS!

    • WP7Mango says:

      Don't let paid trolls and haters sway your opinions folks! users like BinBin2000 are paid to troll. Take it from users such as myself who have been using Windows since the late 80's/early 90's... we know what we are talking about! Upgrade to Windows 10 and enjoy the best version of Windows ever!

      • Captain555 says:

        I disagree with your blanket statement. Nobody should upgrade unless there is something specific option or apps in the new version that you want. Nobody should upgrade just for the sake of upgrading. If you buy a new laptop and it was Windows 10, well, then good for you.

        And I'm not a troll, or a hater, and I have been using Windows since the late 80's/early 90's. My first PC in the early 80s was an IBM PC/XT with a floppy, a 10 Mb. HD and 640K of RAM. With the 80-pin printer, it cost 12,000$. And of course it was before Windows, I had IBM Dos and Dbase II.

      • WP7Mango says:

        Don't worry. I'm simply counter-trolling the troll.

        "Nobody should upgrade unless there is something specific option or apps in the new version that you want."

        Agreed, but that's for individuals to decide, and the best way to do that is for people to try it.

        "and I have been using Windows since the late 80's/early 90's. My first PC in the early 80s was an IBM PC/XT with a floppy, a 10 Mb. HD and 640K of RAM."

        Pretty much the same here, although I didn't use Windows as a daily driver until version 3.0

  31. Zootopiaӡססס says:

    Millennials, I tell ya. We're frickin' doomed. It's not all their fault. Shared blame goes to the parents, and their parents before them. If only nations would learn to live and spend within their means instead of creating an illusion while running up trillions in debt there might not be so much pride and vanity, because one can easily see it's out of control here.

  32. Charles says:

    Microsoft was never a great company and Windows was never a decent OS. Microsoft has always been a mediocre monopoly and Windows a bloated, buggy multi-media app, OS wannabe.

    For great companies see Oracle and for great OS's see z/OS, z/VM or even Solaris

    • roborat says:

      LOL. Thanks for the chuckle.
      Solaris was great - back in the 90's. Unfortunately, all the people that know how to use it died of old age while the new kids did not like it and never picked it up. Even Linus was so sick of it he had to create his own "unix".

    • BoltmanLives says:

      Earth "shuts down" without Microsoft

  33. Ðave says:

    We should support ReactOS, just saying... :)

    • psycros says:

      I've been saying for a while now that a well-supported alternative OS that can run legacy Windows programs would take off like wild if licenses were considerably less than Windows. It could even be Linux-based and bring those apps to the party as well. Instead we see Microsoft preparing to pull its classic 4X strategy on Linux by trying to lure developers away with BASH integration.

  34. pi may says:

    why the hell can't one of you fanboi/shilltards simply

    google or bing windows 10 upgrade trick and filter last week

    google or bing windows 10 upgrade trick and filter last week

    google or bing windows 10 upgrade trick and filter last week
    look and the viral mess they have created with this stupid sleazy move

    and address the situation instead of resorting to childish trolling tech. ?

  35. BinBin2000 says:

    If they would have just added an option to use this start menu on Windows 8.1, avoided the Cortana, Telemetry crap... and loosened every so slightly on the forced updates crap... Windows 10 would have at least 40% marketshare by now.

    • Sebastian says:

      so you don't own either android or google who do this same telemetry crap 24/7 and just keep it hush hush?

      • BinBin2000 says:

        No I only own Windows PC's.. 2 desktops and 1 laptop.

      • Sebastian says:

        So no smart phones or google/firefox browsers? just 100% all microsoft branded items

      • BinBin2000 says:

        Yes I use Palemoon (Mozilla based browser) otherwise no s/p all MS branded items.

      • Sebastian says:

        Okay, look at the browser version, check it again in 2 weeks and get back to me if its the same. FF and FF based browsers auto update. otherwise everyone would still be running ver 1.0

      • BinBin2000 says:

        The forced updating isn't what irks me the most about Windows 10,it's the lack of feature control & intrusiveness than prevents me from upgrading.

      • Peter J says:

        Just to be clear: Firefox auto-updates can be disabled; you can even tell it not to check at all. It's an excellent browser and respects your online privacy, too. I recommend it whether on Windows or Linux.

      • John Chhouk says:

        Auto updating browsers it vastly different than updating an os like windows. At least firefox and google chrome make sure that the their updates are fast, light weight with little down time and most important that the updates actually are stable and work; and if something goes wrong they make it real simple to uninstall/reinstall something. Trying to reinstall any ms product is like pulling teeth and worse yet updating windows is like playing Russian roulette with 5 chambers loaded. You have literally no clue what's gonna happen there just as likely to break something as it is to fix it that's if they don't outright highjack/sabotage/break your system 1st

      • Rock Smith says:

        So this moron does not know difference between an browser update and OS update. No wonder you are another gullible MS fanboy.

      • Captain555 says:

        No, they don't auto update. When you open the browser, it tell you there is a new version available and you choose to update or not.

      • Fantasm says:

        Android and Google only send out what you've typed into them... on a phone or tablet you can lose... so only an idiot would use them for anything important... Otherwise stick to web browsing and Facebook where your data is basically public...

        However, a computer isn't supposed to share documents on the HD or network etc that I might be working on... I would not want to use Windows 10 if I had access to sensitive information. Even if that data did not get shared to MS I wouldn't want to have to explain to a client that their data is secure... especially because I wouldn't know that it is secure or not in the first place...

        " Full data includes all Basic and Enhanced data, and also turns on advanced diagnostic features that collect additional data from your device, such as system files or memory snapshots, which may unintentionally include parts of a document you were working on when a problem occurred. "

    • psycros says:

      If it was still a free upgrade, I would say you're correct in that prediction. If an upgrade cost $70 or more like usual, I don't think the adoption rate would be much better than it is right now (around 17%).

      • BinBin2000 says:

        Yep,assumption of being free.

      • Rock Smith says:

        I paid $15 to get Win 8 although I did not really liked Fisher Price interface but I still paid because I knew I can make it work with third party start menu replacements. I was not very concerned about the keylogging, telementary and privacy issues though. But the ugly flat Windows last along with all the privacy woes, this POS OS is not touching any of my personal hardwares.

      • Ordeith says:

        You can also enable Aero with 3rd party tools.

      • Captain555 says:

        I did that too, boy did I regret it.

    • John Chhouk says:

      That's thing people at this point we know what we want/need on a desktop and people aren't asking ms to reinvent the wheel again which the love to do. All people are asking for it the ability to do things the same way we've always done them with a bit of tweaking and most importantly for the thing to work. For those who say forced updates are good idea and its cool if the break your device is 1 of the dumbest things I've ever heard. There's 1 very fact people aren't going to have $ to run out and buy a new phone every year or whatever never mind a desktop or a laptop. That's like somebody coming in and repeatedly stealing the breaks from your car. patches are 1 thing repeated os upgrades is something else Just like a smartphone isn't the same thing if you wanna use my web traffic to get ad money ok but my pic, docs, spread sheets, doc important 3rd party program are off limits. This policy is gonna cause havoc for businesses with limited/no IT department and home users.See most of us live in the real world not some techie ms wonderland

  36. Sebastian says:

    Microsoft should just do it like google and apple, update your device without your knowledge and force you to buy new hardware when it slows down, no warning, not informational update, or worse what android does and says, hey, no service packs its up to "dell, HP, etc to create patches and force the updates" wake the hell up people, most of the people complaining are the same people who own these devices that get auto updated, and do you see a QQ new blast from every direction complaining on that? NO. What is good for the golden gooses, is just as good for the gander.

    • JasonBorchard says:

      Forced updates are for suckers.

      The goal should not be to enslave people in such a manner that they don't complain. It should be to sell a product that is useful to the person buying it, without planned obsolescence, nor baked-in advertising, nor personal data collection.

      It should not be possible for anyone to remotely change kernel, driver, or system level directories or files without a typed administrator password for each upgrade session. Anything else is a major security vulnerability.

      • Sebastian says:

        And Jason, I agree with you, but until we stop having the majority of tech users being like psycros above who are like, I heard it on the internet or from my friend who is works at Walmart, forced updates are required to keep their complaining to a min in order to secure their devices because they lack the intellect to do so themselves. Back in 95 and 98 days it was required to have basic understanding on how things worked at least, now days its a matter of click the green flashing thing, hence the huge increase in data and security breaches

    • psycros says:

      LOL, so which is it, forced updates or NO updates? Pick a lie and stick to it, dummy. Or better yet, just give it up.

      • Sebastian says:

        You are right, should have known that there were some idiot users who would respond so we will go baby steps, running for example an galaxy s6 you get updates auto, running galaxy 4 or earlier, use to get forced updates, then with the OS updates like icecream, relied on hardware so if you did not fit, no more updates and now responsibility of the OEM partner. Is that better for you psycros <-- or do I need to slow down more so that you can actually keep up?

      • MyDisqussion says:

        Hmm, I remember that Microsoft promised Windows Phone 8 for existing phones, but they are stuck on Windows Phone 7. Then they said that certain Windows Phones could upgrade to X, only to flub that again. Either Microsoft is brilliant, and consumers have to buy new phones to get Windows Phone X, or they don't even know what's up with Windows Phone inside the company.

      • BinBin2000 says:

        I'm guessing the latter lol.

      • Sebastian says:

        Not arguing that point, Microsoft's big issues with windows mobile is they are trying to employ both apple and android strats and failing, If you go apple its definitely hardware replacement, if you go android, sure you can get a cheaper phone but in a lot of cases its not worth it if you are looking for more than a phone. Its why users like me hope that the whole strat they are intending with the implied release of a surface line phone will just make windows into another apple type company and then I can get my flagship phones at what ever cost, and as long as the OS runs solid and I don't end up going and having to get the surface S, SE, Rosegold, ETC ever quarter because the specs are there, than I will be happy. Just give me something that I can use as a tablet, that does not have to be connected to run the apps and I will be fine. Don't mind the app gap as long as the ones I need are there and 110% functional. MyDisquession <-- you are preaching to someone who has been there through windows Mobile,7,8,8.1,and windows 10 phones, and microsoft should never have promised the upgrade via software, being in a PC business microsoft should have known better. There is only so far tech can go before having to roll over and reinvent itself.

      • Zan says:

        Ubuntu.com/phone

      • Sebastian says:

        And the actual lie is that you have any technical knowledge to understand or comprehend any of this. So please join the herd of lemmings...

    • MyDisqussion says:

      I like Apple. I have never seen an upgrade forced or required for iMacs, macbooks, or iPhones (and iPads.) Sure, there's a little one when you go into settings, but it just sits there like a good little update should, until you say Go (or in Microsoft's case, Go Away!)

      • BinBin2000 says:

        This is true.

      • Sebastian says:

        Was true, forcing ones hand with auto update, VS forcing ones hand with no longer being able to run certain apps because they were built for iOS ..., or my fav for all my mac clients, you get the latest software update for the OS which granted is not automatically installing, so it just sits, and then you go to install something like, java, and no support because the version you are running is no longer supported. Same beast, apple just says screw yourself over, here's how. Unless you are just for not updating anything at all. Have an iPhone I had the priv of using for the past two weeks, POS, very few social apps working because its iPhone 4s and I refused to install the last update because of slow down to crawl complaints I have heard from iPhone users. and if your next question is why I had to use an iPhone, sent my Nokia 1020 in for an upgrade to 950xl discount, so was not about to go for 10 business days without a phone.

      • Rock Smith says:

        You are desperately trying to make up things as you go. I am sure Windows 10 Spyware edition is perfect for you. Don't worry about others how their mac is working.

      • BoltmanLives says:

        I hate Appl

      • MyDisqussion says:

        No surprise there.

      • Rock Smith says:

        Apparently Apple is not missing you for sure.

      • BoltmanLives says:

        Appl misses me they would love to track me down

      • Rock Smith says:

        I am sure once they track you down they are going to put you back in Kindergarten to learn how to spell Apple first.

      • BoltmanLives says:

        I spell Appl that way for a reason soon Apl after car launch..reflects erosion of the company. THey lost the E after the Watch failure

    • Richard Saunders says:

      Are you on crack? Android doesn't get automatically updated. It downloads the OTA and shows a notification which prompts you to tell it to install and reboot. However you can ignore it and even block it from trying again if you want.

      Furthermore, this isn't just an OS update. In the case of Windows 10, you're literally replacing your OS with a new one. Android updates won't break your device, and neither will iOS ones. Can they cause annoyance? Yeah, but they aren't going to uninstall apps that they deem incompatible and remove drivers without asking you.

      • Captain555 says:

        That's the monthly update. If it's a new version on Android. it tell you it is available, but you have to choose to download, and choose again to install.

    • Zan says:

      That is what they are heading towards. Free OS from now on, but sell Window$ apps to your devices. I'm a happy Linux Mint user already, tho

  37. pi may says:

    why the hell can't one of you fanboi/shilltards simply

    google or bing windows 10 upgrade trick and filter last week

    google or bing windows 10 upgrade trick and filter last week

    look and the viral mess they have created with this stupid sleazy move

    and address the situation instead of resorting to childish trolling tech. ?

    • Mike Lukic says:

      Sorry, no Googling for me, they log everything I search, sell it to highest bidder and fill my pages with adds.

  38. Smarterthanyou says:

    Microsoft should have discontinued all support for personal Windows 7 and 8.x licenses within 30 days of Windows 10's release. That would be plenty of time for everyone to switch to Windows 10. Support for business licenses for Windows 7 and 8.x should be discontinued within 1 year. This is plenty of time for businesses to switch to hardware that is compatible with Windows 10. Forcing people to switch to a newer version of Windows isn't bad business.

    • Order_66 says:

      It's terrible business when you try to force people into something they don't want.

      • Smarterthanyou says:

        There's nothing wrong with Windows 10. No serious showstopper bugs and no major changes since Windows 7. It just looks a little different.

      • Charles says:

        There are many, many engineering, scientific, accounting and mathematical packages (to say nothing of custom in-house apps) that have yet to be fully supported on Windows 10.

        Windows 10 may be fine for you to login to Facebook, but for those of us doing actual computing, Windows 10 isn't ready for prime time and offers me nothing over Windows 7.

      • Smarterthanyou says:

        That type of software is better suited to Unix or Linux. Windows isn't the fastest platform for scientific or mathematical software.

      • MyDisqussion says:

        Huh? A fanbois who admits that Microsoft OS might not be the best for everything.

      • Smarterthanyou says:

        While Windows 10 is by far the best version of Windows, I actually use Linux as my main OS. My main computer is a System76 Skylake-based laptop. If Ubuntu had better support for multitouch I would put it on my Surface 3 Pro in a heartbeat.

      • MyDisqussion says:

        The only think keeping me from buying a System76 laptop tonight, is that the model I am looking at doesn't have a usb-c port.

      • Charles says:

        Windows has been an adequate platform until Windows 10 started uninstalling apps it didn't support, and not supporting drivers for special devices, and installing updates in the middle of modelling runs (which can take hours). As for speed, these apps are compute and IO bound, they are limited by hardware capacity not OS bottlenecks, so Linux or Unix would offer no capacity advantage.

        And lastly, arguing that engineering, scientific, accounting and mathematical packages and in-house apps that have been running on Windows since the 90's, now belong on Unix or Linux instead of Windows 10, is a clear admission the problems is Windows 10 and Microsoft.

      • Fantasm says:

        It doesn't work for some people... Bricking a computer is not the desired result...

      • Smarterthanyou says:

        If it bricks your computer it's the manufacturer's fault and should be covered under warranty.

      • Fantasm says:

        No major changes?
        Ok...
        Where is Aero glass UI?
        What are those frakking ugly tiles?
        Where is Media Center?
        Where is the Free Solitaire program?
        Why won't some Games with CD based DRM work any longer?
        Why does it look as flat and lame as a fanboy's facial expressions?
        Why does it update automatically now instead of asking?
        Why does the Start Menu look and behave like crap?
        Sending telemetry back to Microsoft?
        Potentially sending documents including pictures back to Microsoft...?
        A built in key logger?
        Oh look...
        Xbox integration? Why?
        Cortana? Why?
        Looks a bit different...? On a big screen as opposed to a tiny one it looks terrible... Actually it looks like crap on a small screen too....

      • Smarterthanyou says:

        Windows 10 does not send any personal information to Microsoft. Windows 10 does not have a key logger installed. All of the information collected is anonymous and cannot be used to identify you. You need to do your research regarding the privacy issues because they are unfounded. On a desktop PC without a touchscreen there are only minor differences between Windows 7 and Windows 10 in appearance. Unlike Windows 7, Windows 10 supports DPI scaling so it looks good on any screen. My Surface 3 Pro has transparent window borders. No drop shadow though. There are plenty of better alternatives to Media Center for Windows. Media Center has been on life support for a long time.

      • MyDisqussion says:

        Yup, yet another technology where Microsoft can't compete.

      • Fantasm says:

        Microsoft openly says…
        -----------------------
        "When you interact with your Windows device by speaking, [handwriting], or typing, Microsoft collects speech, inking, and typing information – including information about your Calendar and People [contacts]…"
        ------------------------
        "To enable Cortana to provide personalized experiences and relevant suggestions, Microsoft collects and uses various types of data, such as your device location, data from your calendar, the apps you use, data from your emails and text messages, who you call, your contacts and how often you interact with them on your device"
        ----------------------
        " Full data includes all Basic and Enhanced data, and also turns on advanced diagnostic features that collect additional data from your device, such as system files or memory snapshots, which may unintentionally include parts of a document you were working on when a problem occurred "

        Seems like Keylogging to me...

        As for minor differences... They aren't minor to me...

        There are few if any good alternatives for WMC when it comes to cable streaming...

      • Mike Lukic says:

        Aero glass UI is MAJOR deal breaker, gee how could I have lived without it all these years !!!
        Free Solitaire program?, one thing that killed billions of productive hours, more than all sick hours since unions were invented.
        All major components for an OS !!!
        I put your comments up for first spot for most hilarious post !!!

      • BinBin2000 says:

        You're pretty dumb.

      • Smarterthanyou says:

        You're not very smart

      • BinBin2000 says:

        You are dillusional.

      • Adrian S says:

        Really? windows 8 was different to 7 and not just the way it looks, windows 10 is more of a update to Windows 8 than 7 and even then it still muck up hardware, so I have no idea how some people will update from Windows 7 to 10.

        Even without the spying, the universal apps, i still will not update, I do not like it, i do not like the forced updates, the fact that i can nto stop Windows from updating hardware drivers and I also hate this idea of a service and the push to get us onto the cloud.

    • Richard Saunders says:

      If that was the case, then Microsoft would be in breach of a lot of its contracts with various organizations, including government ones.

      • Smarterthanyou says:

        Not if they offered free upgrades for businesses as well.

      • Charles says:

        a mere "offer" does not relieve the offerer of prior legal obligations.

        And based on results, those holding valid Windows 7 support contracts, aren't about to accept such an offer, or they'd already be upgrading, which they aren't.

      • Richard Saunders says:

        No, that would still be a breach of contract. Upgrading an OS is never free for an enterprise environment. Even if the vendor gives it away for free, that ties up very pricey man hours for the IT department.

      • Rock Smith says:

        Do you really think that pimple face kid is going to understand contract and legal agreements.

    • Fantasm says:

      Ummm People paid for Windows 7 and unbelievably paid for Windows 8...
      Ok...
      PAID FOR!
      Got that...?
      Ok, so now suppose you bought a really really nice luxury car with a great paint job, high performance engine, stability handling and leather interior and one morning the car company came and took away your nice shiny luxurious car and replaced it with a fuel efficient beige compact car with vinyl seats that your friends will all laugh at... They tell you that nice cars are being discontinued. Now arguably, it is a newer and more fuel saving car and it's tiny size means it will be easier to park for bad drivers...
      So now then, tell me again why a newer version is better?

      • Smarterthanyou says:

        It's like buying a Tesla with a guaranteed free upgrade to the next model.

      • BinBin2000 says:

        Yep! or it's like buying a desktop operating system with a guaranteed free upgrade to a worse version than the one you're currently using,one or the other I suppose.

      • Smarterthanyou says:

        It's like getting a free autopilot upgrade on your Tesla instead of having to pay for it. Maybe even a free upgrade to that new Android Auto Google demonstrated at Google I/O. Or a free upgrade to a newer Tesla with a more powerful electric engine.

      • BinBin2000 says:

        Yep! or it's like getting a blasted free upgrade to a bloody worse version of the OS we're using to leave these posts.

      • Fantasm says:

        Give up... you're trying too hard and it's not working...

      • Fantasm says:

        To get a Tesla would mean switching to another company....

      • BoltmanLives says:

        UM because it has THE STORE where eventually all programs and apps will come from?

        Ya think?..guess not.

    • Adrian S says:

      You talk crap. Do you really know how long it would take a large company to change operating system on all their computer and make sure the software they use is compatible? i work for a large company and they still use XP, they are changing to windows 7 soon, seems like they do not want Windows 10 or 8 for that matter.
      what you are saying is one reason why I think the world relying on one Os is dangerous, if MS pull the licences there would be hell to play. What we need is a change over to a Open source Os that no company have control over.

      Microsoft is not trying to get us to use Windows 10 because they are thinking of us, they are doing it for Microsoft, simple as that and I refuse to follow.

    • Captain555 says:

      If you were president of MS and did that, the board of MS would kick you out on your ass in a New York minute.

  39. bonbonboi says:

    fuck me hell No Windows is a virus comes as an OS! screw Windows! Viva Linux!

  40. Gao Yang says:

    if the os is good, i will update it sooner or later. please do not tell me to do it again and again.i am the master of my pc

    • RememberToday4ever says:

      The upgrade is currently FREE until July 2016. If I was you I would upgrade sooner rather then later or you will have to cough up an extra $200+ or £170+. Its a no brainer upgrade now before they start charging.

  41. libertyordeath says:

    Here is a pic of what this process looks like so its clear to people, seems the author wanted to leave this out for some reason. There is a pretty clear path to cancel the update, this is not forced. If someone doesn't read the freaking message than that's on them. The cancel/postpone portion of the message is in the same size font as a majority of the message.

    I understand that people are rushing through the prompts and not reading things before they click the big OK button and accept the update, but these are bad user habits. You can make a case that Microsoft is exploiting this bad user behavior but you cant say they are forcing updates, its just not true.

    As for the schoolyard search engine example of how bad the reputation is, type "Android phones are" and get results like; crap, for poor people, garbage. iPhones get junk, bad, boring, and garbage. Not exactly a scientific pole as both make excellent stuff. The company needs people to update for a number of reasons, most importantly profits. If you don't like this method than that's totally understandable, but for tech media to rally readers and encourage anger towards this business without painting a factual and clear picture of what their doing is just as unethical as this update process, if not more.

    • MyDisqussion says:

      Yeah, only a paid fanbois would say that this dialog is not deceptive. Why not put a Cancel button right next to the OK button, in the same size and font? Or would the non-fanbois say, I don't want this, I'm clicking Cancel?

      The fanbois will attack the messengers.

      • infekt_me says:

        Agreed, I like Windows 10 but this is being handled badly. Ideally a prompt should come up that says Windows 10 is a recommended update please choose when you would like to update or No Thanks, I prefer not to upgrade.

      • libertyordeath says:

        I didn't say its not deceptive, I said they were exploiting peoples bad habits, but you're so anxious to troll you didn't read in full. Similar to the idiots who click OK to an update they don't want.

      • MyDisqussion says:

        I did read your comment in full. Making the change the schedule link just the same as everything else is not just a user beware item. I suspect that most Windows 7 users have never scheduled anything, and wouldn't know how to stop the upgrade, absent a Go Away button.

      • Adrian S says:

        Just like Ms tries to hide the customize text or the I do not want a MS account when installing 10
        The X should be to close it, simple as that, this is the type of trick Malware uses,

      • Mike Lukic says:

        I guess you don't read that small text at the bottom of a contract either!!

    • AdamBoltGC says:

      Although I have to agree that this is a sneaky practice by MSFT and I don't agree with the way they are handling the Windows 10 upgrade (And I often defend MSFT on many fronts), it is also not like they are they only ones that are shady when it comes to getting you to upgrade... I get this every day on my iPhone. I can't get rid of the initial upgrade screen unless I hit later and then it takes me to this Passcode screen. Notice the tiny Remind Me Later at the bottom of the screen. So this is no different to how MSFT are behaving.

  42. Fantasm says:

    Strange how all of a sudden over the last 24-48 hours there seems to be a lot of posters on all the commenting locations advocating in almost identical word for word postings that we should all accept the upgrade to windows 10...
    Is this the new dialogue being put out for shill scripting? The odds of so many random(?) posters coming out with virtually the same script seems like an amazing coincidence.

    • MyDisqussion says:

      The chances of that being random are no less likely than Democratic Speaking Points being random.

    • MD B says:

      Yeah, the postings have become almost identical, but it's from the same old Stepford Wives group ... if their gushing weren't so nauseating, it would be sort of amusing!

      • Fantasm says:

        I think they are paid to post this stuff...
        There was a similar thing when Windows 8 first came out...
        Same kind of dialogues... "Everyone will be on Windows 8", Windows 8 is the best OS ever" "Windows 8 installed perfectly", "Windows 8 is better than Windows7 and XP"... Then all of a sudden MS backed off on trying to push Windows 8 and the shills vanished almost overnight...

  43. RememberToday4ever says:

    The upgrade is currently FREE until July 2016. If I was someone still using Windows 7 or Windows 8, I would upgrade sooner rather then later or you will have to cough up an extra $200+ or £170+. Its a no brainer upgrade now before they start charging.

    • Fantasm says:

      Well, saving the cost of a night or two out at the bar is hardly worth the aggravation...
      And it's not like Windows 7 is going away in a month or two...

    • Fantasm says:

      You know, it's interesting that you have posted this exact comment on several different discussions at a few websites...
      Makes you look like a paid shill....

    • BinBin2000 says:

      Blah blah effin' blah.. take your nonsense elsewhere.The only thing that's a no-brainer around here is YOU.I'll keep using Windows 7, Windows 8.1 and who knows maybe even XP! DEAL WITH IT.

    • Adrian S says:

      Is this buttman?

  44. Carl Busse says:

    Satya Nadella will bring Microsoft down, look at their stock since the first of the year, I don't think he listens to any customer feedback!

  45. pmdci says:

    All of my laptops are running Windows 10 and I am generally happy with it -- but I see your point.

    I have an old laptop which I am using to teach my son development, and it got upgraded to Windows 10. Issue is that there was no drivers to be found for the video card anywhere (NVIDIA) so I eventually had to get some sort of old beta version for Vista to make it work. it was painful -- and the laptop occasionally gives a BSOD. There is also some drive missing for a mass storage controller (which I never found), and I also spent hours looking for a driver for its card reader.

    Despite the fact that I expect the occasional douchebags on this site to simply say "duh get a new laptop, duh", I can certainly understand the frustration if you get an update forced on you, only to find later on that you are missing a significant number of drivers. I can see how this would drive the less tech-savvy user insane.

  46. dpi027 says:

    I just have one comment regarding google and bing. Have you ever search something like : "My OS is fast/reliable/easy/secure, how I can correct this ?". Of course not. You go on the web to search for solution of an issue. You won't search anything if you don't have a problem. So your point regarding the search engines can be ignored and forgotten.

  47. MarqPas says:

    "As I’ve said numerous times in the past, I actually like Windows 10."
    Then why keep repeating it like it's religion instead of a mere operating system? Will Microsoft cut you from their services if you don't ... perhaps sending you the Spanish Inquisition? Ha!

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  49. BoltmanLives says:

    So these cavemen will miss out on FREE Windows 10..LOL. Thats fine Microsoft will cut them off in a few years an they can wallow in pitty and filth that is OSX and linux.

    Microsoft nor I will shed a tear over stupidity..go ahead throw away $120 or $200...make a stand , be the squaeky wheel..and then fade away into oblivion while the rest of the planet uses Windows 10.

    Say Hi to the Amiga dudes

  50. BoltmanLives says:

    Windows 10 Updates are a dream...My SP4 just got a ton of new updates again. Took 4 minutes. On my sons Windows 7 updates take an hour LOL. Do yourself a favor get 10 and quit yer bitchin

    • sst says:

      FYI; Window 7 updates used to be fairly quick and simple! When Microsoft let Windows 10 release go, it seems to have limited Windows 7 updates to one lone
      server somewhere. Belarc can tell which updates are necesary within 2 minutes, Microsoft requires at least half-an-hour. I have now been watching an update download window for 20 minutes, and the downloads have Not yet started. This 'deliberate' crippling of updates for Windows 7, is not what I agreed to when I paid for the package.

      • BoltmanLives says:

        And it sucks for you unless you upgrade, so its YOUR CHOICE whether to waste $120/$200 and get with it..or don't. Going to get even worse as time goes on.

        So get off your hobby horse and do it.

      • cc says:

        shut up

      • Captain555 says:

        I suspect also that MS is doing their darnest to sandbagged Win 7 and 8/8.1.

    • cc says:

      Biggest moron on here today

    • Terry Richards says:

      Do yourself a favor GROW UP. But you might need to be older than10.

  51. Bryan Mills says:

    Besides the driver problems, failed updates that make systems unusable, tracking everything you do in "the cloud" so they can copycat Google's business model on your desktop, running slow as molasses on many systems and being the #1 most malware infected platform, what's not to love?
    Seriously, this isn't 1999 and there are many better options. Just pick a Linux distro and use it. http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major

    If you're not at all technically inclined and aren't able to install an operating system, then ask a PC repair shop to do it for you or buy a Mac.

    • fredreed says:

      You must really hate Microsoft because windows 10 is the greatest OS ever designed by Microsoft. Despite It's issues with updating drivers It is still by far the best OS that is out forget about Apple's OS which is a big failure anymore and Linux is a complete waste of time and money only because most PC Games aren't supported on that OS. If you don't like Windows 10 then just uninstall It idiot and go back to using that crap Windows 8 or 7 If you like having problems all the time.

    • darkwzrd1 says:

      Are you retarded? I have never had a Driver Issue with Windows 10, I never ever had a Failed Updated with Windows 10, You can TURN OFF "Tracking" in under a minute by a installing a number of FREE applications.

      I'm a IT Manager AND Level 3 Engineer and every single Client (60+ some with over 1000 users) of ours runs Windows 7/10 and Windows Servers, period! We both know Linux is still garbage and will never ever be viable and usable OS for everyday and business use and that's why it still has such a small market share, even losing market share to Apple.

      I don't know if you live on another WORLD, your a straight up idiot. Also Windows 10 by far has been the best OS I've used, PERIOD. I swear you people must have some piece of junk PCs or have absolutely no concept of what you doing.

      • Captain555 says:

        If I was your boss and you'd upgrade some Win 7 to Win 10 in a business environment, I would fired you on the spot.

      • Mike Lukic says:

        And I would give him a raise !!

      • Captain555 says:

        You're fired too. LOL

      • Mike Lukic says:

        Can't get fired, I quit first !!!

      • Platinum Angel says:

        As a general rule, if you are going to call someone else an idiot, you should really use the correct form of 'you're' in that paragraph.

      • Barry Pryde says:

        Why do all debates on the internet end up at the Grammer Nazi attack? Is this all they can resort to when losing a debate? It really takes away from the original topic. Does the correct form of "you're" really shift your focus that much or is it to change the topic and throw the other people from focus of the original issue? It really disturbes me when i am reaserching or debating technical issue when all of a sudden there is a "Grammer Nazi" Post in the middle of it. They were talking about WIn 10, they were not writing an essay to be judged by an english professer or better yet maybe they are walking down the street using a 3 inch keyboard and they had a choice between the correct form of "you're" or getting hit by a f**king bus!

      • Platinum Angel says:

        They were not debating or talking about Windows 10, they were very personally attacking someone. Calling someone "retarded" and an "idiot" would take away from the topic, but in this case the poster had no real point to make - other than to showcase their own obvious anger issues. Not unlike your invaluable contribution. If you find yourself frequently corrected during 'debates' perhaps it is because poor grammar is distracting and shows a lack of attention to detail. As to the dilemma faced when you're walking down the street, there is a third option... pay attention to where you are walking and the people around you and grasp the idea that your snippy response can wait- no one else really cares that much about what you have to say.

      • dawn clabaugh says:

        Actually, when one person claims to be perfect and tells everyone not in agreement that they're idiots/retarded ... I found Platinum Angel's comment to provide a (much needed) laugh. IT manager ... hope "the stress" doesn't cause pressing the wrong button(s) (oh, so accidentally, of course, but it will be someone else's fault) in more serious circumstances. Garbage in = garbage out. Some people almost make me wish that more buses would win.

      • Fantasm says:

        You're not an IT manager then... Or you're like a lot of managers... In charge but with no idea what's going on...
        Windows 10 is not the best OS out there... nor is it likely to be...
        Gee, it's nice that YOU have never had a "failed updated"... LOL
        In the real world, other people have found it won't run...
        Oh, and junk PC's? Mine would run rings around you...

      • Terry Richards says:

        Linux is so much garbage that's why Microsoft went to them this year to make Ms. more compatible with their Distro's and because Ms. wanted what they have, A LOYAL USER BASE not a multitude of disgruntled customers. Your so-called clients are probably un-aware of the background records being sent to Ms and that is probably because of you , you being a mouthpiece. And If you're It and any level of engineering you might want to ask for your money back, those online credentials aren't working .

  52. pi may says:

    come on all you fanboi/shilltards simply

    google or bing windows 10 upgrade trick and filter last week

    google or bing windows 10 upgrade trick and filter last week

    look and the viral mess they have created with this stupid sleazy move

    and address the situation instead of resorting to childish trolling tech. ?

  53. Toshiba portege R830-10Q says:

    Windows forced an update on my Toshiba portege R830-10Q which is not Win 10 compatible even though the little pop up says it is.

    The result is one dead laptop, blue screen on boot up.

    After 11 hours on the phone and talking to dozens of microsoft "technicians" they agreed to give me a new copy of windows 7.

    I have however lost all the data on the laptop.

    I'll be switching to Linux Mint.

    How much damage are Microsoft willing to inflict in order to desperately push and turn around their failing windows phone. I'm sorry I meant to make computers more secure.

    • BoltmanLives says:

      Thanks for the report enjoy Linux Mint now go away and be part of the almost 1%

      • Toshiba portege R830-10Q says:

        thanks dude, at least 1% of people will have a computer that works.

      • BoltmanLives says:

        I tried linux is sucks ass as a desktop

      • pi may says:

        no one knows sucking like you.

      • BoltmanLives says:

        At least I am all on 10 ..no worries here just good computing daily
        My $29 phone Lumia 640 and custom i5-3570k desktop and $809 surface pro 4 all synced , 10 apps poer purchase , seamless updates, logging in with my freakin face.... more coming. The future.

        But you stoneage dudes enjoy MINT LOL..and then fade into the legacy history archives

      • Captain555 says:

        More full of (....) than anything else.

      • pi may says:

        i wouldn't call shilling all day computing, but whatever.

      • Terry Richards says:

        If you call trolling computing then you are already in the trash archive on the way to delete as should be for piss-ant dredge such as yourself , keep think and mouthing as you are , you will find out how ignorant you are when you wake up from your drug fest. Douche-bag!!!

      • BoltmanLives says:

        I'm awake and I have assessed I am much more intelligent than you. You are simply out of the running.

    • Sekyal says:

      I used Linux Mint and while it is a good OS, it is a good OS for Linux, not for regular people who barely understand how to use Windows. Frankly I didn't like it very much. There was always something that required more work to do than Windows to get it running.

    • Mike Lukic says:

      Be careful when you switch to Linux, you wouldn't know who to blame when you loose all data because you were stupid enough not to make proper backups !!!
      Sheesh, some people should be forced to get license to live !!!

  54. Sekyal says:

    While I think Windows 10 is a very worthwhile update, it is definitely wrong to have it forced on you. I know someone at work who lost all her files after her computer "crashed" and then updated to Windows 10. It may be she did something to unknowingly cause this, but sounds like the update may have caused her to lose important files.

  55. Platinum Angel says:

    I turned on my laptop this morning to see the message "Welcome to Windows 10" and it greeted me by my name. I have steadfastly refused to update to 10 and my computer is set to ask permission before installing any updates. Refusing the TOS agreement caused the uninstallation of 10 and thankfully Windows 7 was restored. I know from reading about the experiences of others that it could have been much worse than hijacking 45 minutes out of the busiest part of my morning but Microsoft illegally gained access to my hard drive and the information there. How is this not hacking? Like many others I believe that 10 is full of spyware and they have now done the equivalent of breaking into my home and going through everything there. I'd like to see a class action suit against Microsoft for the damage they've caused to people's property and the inestimable loss of files but I also think that the execs who are behind this should be criminally prosecuted.

    • Captain555 says:

      Unfortunately, criminal prosecution would require the justice department to get involved. Not likely. When Holder took over, he filled up the department with a bunch of corporate hacks, many came from the RIAA and the MPAA. You have more chance they will prosecute you for misusing a Windows license than making MS respect the right of their users.

    • BoltmanLives says:

      USER ERROR LOL

  56. BoltmanLives says:

    We also use personal information to help us create, develop, operate, deliver, and improve our products, services, content and advertising,…

    We may collect, use, transfer, and disclose non-personal information for any purpose. The following are some examples of non-personal information that we collect and how we may use it: We may collect information such as occupation, language, zip code, area code, unique device identifier, referrer URL, location, and the time zone where an Apple product is used so that we can better understand customer behavior and improve our products, services, and advertising.

    Source: http://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/

    • BoltmanLives says:

      LOL LOL LOL

    • Fantasm says:

      Not one part of that says anything about collecting documents, key presses or anything on your hard drive...

      Near the end it says :
      " With your explicit consent, we may collect data about how you use your device and applications in order to help app developers improve their apps. "
      Note that? "Explicit consent" In other words they will ask you first...

      • BoltmanLives says:

        We may collect ..... information for any purpose.

        LOL

      • Fantasm says:

        Notice that it says "non-personal" information..(but of course you did, which is why you left it out in your reply)
        Then it goes on to state examples that are " occupation, language, zip code, area code, unique device identifier, referrer URL, location, and the time zone "
        I don't see "documents" or "photos" or "texts" or "emails" listed in there anywhere... but Microsoft say it will collect them in Windows 10...

      • TD says:

        Thank you...

  57. johnusa says:

    Windows 10 is not a very bad OS, but I do not like it and will not use it as it is today, maybe if it gets improved in the future I may use it.
    What is really bad, disgusting and totally unacceptable is the way Microsoft is behaving utterly bad and they are acting like bullies trying to force this new OS on our computers
    I hate how bad Microsoft is behaving and I would like them to know how I feel about them, and I am sure I am not the only one:
    Go to hell Microsoft. You are acting like evil bullies and I hate you for this.
    I have means to protect my computers from your evil hands and I will do so till you come to your senses and start acting like a good and caring company should.
    A very big shame on Microsoft.
    They should fire the responsible idiots who are authorizing this horrible pushed upgrades.

    • Biggles Scholls says:

      yeah, except when you push the start button, a menu appears... in other words, the start menu. I realize that sorting your applications in alphabetical order is a challenge for some. But when you graduate from kindergarten, you should have hopefully mastered your ABC's by then. My fingers are crossed for you. But really, at this point you probably should just unplug your PC, go sit in a closet, stick your fingers in your ear, and hum real loudly until its all over.

      • edwould2 says:

        Make sure the microphone is off on your computer and don't hum anything that might be construed as illegal, or terroristic, or critical of government, or big business. Better yet, don't just turn off the mic, unplug the whole mess and throw it in the dumpster. Computers could have been a tool for the benefit of mankind. Unfortunately, the crooks, as usual, figured out a way to use them for the benefit of themselves instead and thus destroyed the greatest potential for good.

      • Biggles Scholls says:

        wtf kind of a conspiracy whack job are you? I can't track who is out to get you... Microsoft, hackers, the government? Even if they are out to get you, they're not out to get me so what exactly does that have to do with enjoying Windows 10?

  58. Fantasm says:

    You know, the funny thing is, I probably would have upgraded to Windows 10 if they had done it properly...
    But no, they tried their heavy handed approach like they did with Windows 8 and screwed up the UI... Left in those awful tiles, took away Windows Media Center, Did not put back the Windows Start Menu that they promised.
    Then there is the Windows store... 'nuff said...
    Then they added spyware, forced updates, and started including adverts... (Yes I know we can turn that off, but it shouldn't be there in the first place...) and so on... Everyday we read about one or more new problems turning up in it...
    Yes, I know it's a "FREE" upgrade, but it's not really, Windows 7 was paid for, likewise Windows 8... Essentially MS is calling windows 10 an update, so it's technically already paid for...
    It's so bad that they are having to force it on people even as a FREE update?!?!?! That should be the biggest clue that it's garbage....

  59. Eric Jennings says:

    "and stopped the sound on BBC iPlayer."

    Actually, given how the BBC is full of drooling liberals, that sounds like a GOOD thing.

    Anyway, there's an easy way to get rid of the Win10 update nagging.

    http://www.docmercury.com/windows/removing-gwx

    What's amazing is how many so-called "experts" out there appear to have never heard of the 'Hide' feature.

  60. NorthAmericaGuestAcct12 says:

    I wonder if this huge push to move everyone over is because they have knowledge of some very dangerous issues with many of their products but do not want to make it public. The new Windows 10 will take care of those issues. They cannot come out and say to us there are some very serious flaws in many existing applications and the Operating Systems... for it would also notify the many scumbags on our planet who would jump right in to take advantage of these problems. There must be something to their madness about this. I guess money could be behind this. Yeah, that is it! Advertisements and monitoring your Internet experiences to focus ads directly to you. Google, Facebook, YouTube, Microsoft wants to track your internet behavior. They have made the internet experience great and now they want to make it bad for us. They are doing a disservice to us. Productivity has been really bad since these guys and others have only one focus. Money.

    • Captain555 says:

      No, it's just about making money with the new Windows Store and ads.

    • Randal Moore says:

      By forcing people to download windows10 they have caused damage and loss of data all over, its cost people real money, personally if they had a real solid reason for people to upgrade they should have made it known, the damage they have caused and stress should result in a class action lawsuit because what they did was very wrong.
      If someone wasn't attending to their computer at the time this happen, its no different then if someone hacked your computer and ruined it along with anything you had on it and/or working on.

    • edwould2 says:

      The user agreement which most don't bother to read likely discloses their motivation to a large extent in not so obvious language. Microsoft, along with numerous other computer technology companies, has consistently worked with the NSA and other criminal government agencies that have systematically violated U.S. Citizens most basic rights to privacy. They continue to expand those self-assumed rights under the pretense of disclaiming the abuse of same with the legal verbiage. Unlike some abominable corporate practices like claiming immunity from legal liability for product defects for any reason, apparently, our government hasn't seen fit to preclude these peeping toms from violating our most fundamental personal rights by imposing the equivalent of laws that, for example, forbid companies from legally avoiding responsibility for the damage their products do to people. In some states, companies can't disclaim responsibility for some product defects that are obviously their fault such as shoddy manufacturing and materials. Not so, I guess, in the computer world. Regardless of how obnoxious or how strongly a behavior has been held out to be criminal, if worms disclose same in advance (or after you've already opened the software package and can't return it), they can do pretty much anything they like under the pretense of some legitimate purpose. It's all trash designed by trash to get our money and violate people's personal space for some twisted amusement. The more I experience the sickness of those most educated, the more I think we might be better off without higher education. The current catastrophe in global trade was espoused as a potentially huge benefit to the world when I got my business degree thirtty plus years ago. Theoretically, global trade could benefit the world but, as administered, it's mostly just benefited thieves and politicians that used their influence to infest college curriculum back then with the 'new' theories for world betterment.
      It would be interesting to see what sinister plans the elite is paving the way for today through their endowments that allow for their input into what kids should learn. I bought into global trade for the longest time until I finally realized just how little of the benefit was actually spread fairly around the globe.

      • Mike Lukic says:

        We all know that aliens (not ones from Mexico) are to blame, Paint some flowers on your tin hat, helps keep them away !!

  61. Ron Bockman says:

    guess I'm not smart enough to comment here, but I like Windows 10, I like that I got Windows 10 for free, I like that Microsoft keeps my computer up to date

    • pforbes says:

      Wait and see.

    • Terry Richards says:

      You must have a big data allowance and bandwidth or you're paying more to stay connected thanks to Win10.

      • Ron Bockman says:

        Terry, I wouldn't know a big data allowance and bandwidth if it hit me in the face, Fios 50/50, Fujitsu Primergy TX100 S2, Win10, Xeon X3470, Kingston SSD, 8GB, runs flawlessly.

      • TheTVcritic says:

        I think Terry is talking about the hunger Windows 10 has, and will have, for data and that it will unexpectedly hurt people on modest data plans or plans which charge per GB and those who have relatively slow connectivity to the internet.

  62. TheTVcritic says:

    Media Cenre users have refused the 10 upgrade for obvious reasons. By the time Microsoft stops supporting Win7, computers will be light years ahead and so will other platforms. No one will want Windows 10 in 3 years time LOL so why even bother with it now.when what you already have working fine will do so for your hardware years to come! It will also allow time for a better Media Centre (e.g. Media Portal) to evolve with new streaming providers.rationalizing the market place.

    • edwould2 says:

      Windows 95 was one of their better systems,relatively speaking. I would have liked to have skipped over 98 but it became necessary because of it's USB features not functional in 95. It purportedly had over 20,000 bugs when released to market, no doubt many of which people paid Microsoft support in an effort to fix. I stayed with XP until well after 7 came out because Vista was junk. I skipped 8 without regret and have disabled WU in an attempt to prevent vandals converting my computer to 10 without my permission. We really need to sue Microsoft. Behemoths such as these seem to excuse themselves for virtually every bad behavior until a genuine legal threat captures their attention. Bill Gates has moved on to 'charity work' by presumably giving away some of the billions that he made selling often severely flawed software at outrageous prices. I feel sorry for the people he tries to help. If he really wanted to help, he would use his influence to force Microsoft to fix it's software BEFORE they sell it. Imagine what might have been if, over the last twenty years, computer users had been able to spend more time producing on their computers than they did trying to fix their computers because of errors that should never have made it to market. Again, this is just my opinion.

      • TheTVcritic says:

        Well said edwould. Sometimes people think they need to change everything when they actually don't have to. Computers are work-horses. If they do the job well, don't waste time updating until it's really needed, usually due to hardware lagging, and enough time has passed to prove the update will be worthwhile. Microsoft want a billion 10 users. With only a month to go, they have 300 million computers converted and they don't say if they kept it. For something that is supposed to be a must have and free, less than 20% of PCs (closer to 15%) across the world have converted. Says something in itself. People are also sick of their privacy being hijacked by big corporations. No one can possibly imagine the enormous privacy loss tied up in Windows 10 as it is all consuming and lays the way for intrusions not even contemplated today.

  63. pforbes says:

    Fair play is the only thing that must be demanded to anybody who is working for you. Microsoft was always trustworthy but now fairplay is totally absent from Windows 10. You NEVER know what the OS is doing at the background, or where any of your files is being sent without your consent, I'm afraid.

    • Terry Richards says:

      Made that move and added something else , not many people will remember or know what a traffic cop was , essentially an on/off switch for the internet feed to your computer , now I know a greater portion of traffic is wireless and the old won't become new again , but it got me thinking tat the on/off switch was something we all had basically disregarded. So my friends and I tinkered around with some spare parts and what-do-you know it works on wired and wireless connections , when the connection is slow for a period of time , that amount of time is up to you, the switch turns off , sort of , it maintains a connection but is similar to hibernation , when you go back to you device it's still on but without your input no one can download to you device. We're still working on it and this may not work for everyone right now but my friend and I wanted a way to stop some very intrusive companies like MS from putting things on our devices without our knowledge or consent , most of that stuff was tracking software and forms of telemetry. These would be used in the background causing slowdowns and would eat up data allowances in a hurry , costing a lot of money out of pocket. All I know at this point is our switch works for us and we are still working on it to make it better , oh yea , I'm switching all of my devices to Linux and /or Android , not perfect but better than the alternative and this is after 45years of Microsoft , where's Bill Gates when you need him.

  64. Sam_Manilla says:

    There is plenty of software that does not work on Windows 10, most notably custom and niche software packages. Microsoft has no business foisting their OS on computers when things will not work afterwards.

  65. EyeDee TenTees says:

    they paved the road outside my house, it was a nice light gray. Now it is very dark and black. Why did they not ask me if I was ok using this new dark colored pavement?

    • Spam Defender says:

      Yes but you don't own the road outside your house. If they did that to your driveway, you would have some right to be mad and some recourse if you didn't ask for it.

    • Fantasm says:

      Why would they?
      Is the road yours?
      There is a difference between something you own, and something you just use...

    • Mike Lukic says:

      Who's doing that for free, please send them over here, I need road paved and nice and black like asphalt should be !!!

  66. Randal Moore says:

    This is way more then just "wrong" they are either ignorant or uncaring about the damage updating someones computer without their authorization, its stealing their time from work if this done in the work place and it has, its damaging to personal data if and when its lost and it has been, also they went from asking to demanding which shows how much they don't care about the individual or even mass users, like we're not adults who deserve to choose to install this version or not.
    Personally i will avoid Microsoft from this day forward, i guess apple will be getting my business from now on and i will share with others that they may want to do the same, because its not just about not trusting their products or their quality, its about not trusting the people behind them and not giving people like this your money.
    Also there is some reasonable serious concerns about windows 10 and privacy, which by the actions they have shown here recently, i believe they show very little concern about the people they take this from, i believe its underhanded and shows a very sad case of poor ethics.
    The wide spread damage they have caused should result in a huge class action lawsuit by far.

    • Lurker111 says:

      I wonder how the damage created by the unwanted Win10 upgrade compares to the sum of all the damages ever done by any virus or malware. Consider the vast numbers of man-hours wasted undoing and recovering from this fiasco vs. the stray virus attack.

  67. Randal Moore says:

    By forcing people to download windows10 they have caused damage and loss
    of data all over, its cost people real money, personally if they had a
    real solid reason for people to upgrade they should have made it known,
    the damage they have caused and stress should result in a class action
    lawsuit because what they did was very wrong.
    If someone wasn't
    attending to their computer at the time this happen, its no different
    then if someone hacked your computer and ruined it along with anything
    you had on it and/or working on.
    Either they didn't know this would happen which means they are so ignorant who needs a degree to work at Microsoft or they just simply "didn't care" about their customers....
    All you have to do is read all the comments from all the people who not only are forced to use this upgrade now, but has caused significant damage in many forms.

    I for one am VERY angry, i was lucky enough to find a solution just minutes before it destroyed work i have done and stole time away like i am no value to when it happen and i had to use an outside application that i had to simply "trust" at the last few minutes.

    • TheTVcritic says:

      Well said Randal. My wife returned to her computer last night and it greeted her to Windows 10. WTF!? she said, how the hell did that happen? Hours later, she's still trying to recover her computer and get her work done for teaching the next day. Upon checking another computer in the household, it had set a date for installing Windows 10 without any permission. Microsoft are so desperate it's embarrassingly disgusting and a testament to their disrespect and willful disregard of the customer.

  68. Sijmen Koffeman says:

    I'm just happy that the full software life cycle has now been rolled up into an OS that updates instead of that it needs upgrades. Since Vista however, I didn't lose a thing and kept working with the all the software I needed. Now with 10 it's just updates and direct feedback in case a bug surfaces or an app crashes (not always MS's fault).
    The OS is free and runs on my older machines very acceptable and faster than 7 or 8 did.
    Thank you MS. And I like the feedback app too!

    • pi may says:

      did you even read the article ? It's impossible to believe your not a paid shill, It's hard to imagine how someone so ignorant could exist, what a dork.

      • Sijmen Koffeman says:

        Yes I read it. Why would I comment otherwise?
        Rude and unable to think otherwise, not adding more than a lot of noise too.

      • pi may says:

        "Why would I comment otherwise?" , lets see, braindead response on a new disqus account, didn't address the topic whatsoever.
        odd phase, "You're being rude and are unable to think differently"
        sound like your from a certain place that people have so little economic opportunity that low paying job of shilling is a viable career, then the "I like the feedback app too" , impossible to believe. if it's squeals like a shill, it' probably a shill.

      • Sijmen Koffeman says:

        Assumptions, based on thin air.
        I'm not angry at MS because of mentioned 'reasons' in the article.
        I'm happy with Windows and not angry at MS. Okay?
        Stop insulting others, it degrades yourself.

      • pi may says:

        ok Dork, lets hear you say something like, "I have no problem with MS hijacking peoples computers and doing damage, because I like windows so much", your a idiot, end of story and everyone get it. your an insult to everyone here's intelligence, so STFU and go away loser.

      • Sijmen Koffeman says:

        I have no problem with freedom of speech. I have my own opinions.

        I do have a problem with insulting behavior.

      • pi may says:

        no one cares what you think here, nice job ignoring the

        ""I have no problem with MS hijacking peoples computers and doing damage, because I like windows so much"

        why ?
        because your a shill.

        you just want to fill the comments here with anything but the truth.
        what a loser.

        as terry said above
        now get the hell away so some intelligent people can have a conversation.

    • Terry Richards says:

      If others won't , I will call you what you are and that is a liar and a paid bot for MS , now get the hell away so some intelligent people can have a conversation.

    • pforbes says:

      It's impossible to think so unless you are working for Microsoft.

  69. Biggles Scholls says:

    More tears please. It fuels my desire to live. I thrive off your whining, especially when you attempt to mascaraed it as "news"

  70. ŠĆČĐŽŠČĆŠ says:

    Win 7 FTW

  71. edwould2 says:

    My personal opinion is that unless Microsoft expressly secures your permission to force an upgrade, either by the LULA or other document, then it's purported behavior of forcing upgrades onto unsuspecting customers via nondisclosure or concealment constitutes vandalism. I'm really tired of people who haven't even the most fundamental respect for other people's property and assume, possibly based upon some self-anointed superiority complex, that they're entitled to break and enter into other people's property because the person is just a stupid consumer or computer illiterate.

    In the real world, plumbers can't come onto your property uninvited and start fixing your plumbing because it's substandard, investment counselors can't dig through your bank accounts looking for bad investments, and lawyers can't assume power of attorney over your affairs simply because they don't think you have the legal savvy to protect yourself. Yet Microsoft SEEMS to think they can break into your computer any time they please and create all sorts of havoc. Having had to reinstall the OS on more than one occasion because Windows Update found it's way back to an enabled state and allowed an update that rendered my computer un-bootable after I had explicitly disabled it, I understand what kind of damage can occur to a person's computer when someone tinkers with it without permission. If Microsoft programmers were largely competent, it might not be so bad but much of the programming that Microsoft releases is often incomplete or badly bugged up. They're notorious, in my opinion, for releasing incompletely developed software that is never eventually debugged. It may be seem an impressive piece of code but if it doesn't work or work well and they never bother to fix it, in my mind, it's just more irritating junk taking up space on my hard drive.

    People, including myself, often keep information on their computers that is very important to them. Someone thinking they can just wander in any time they please and change things around is, in my mind, not only an idiot but a trailer house criminal idiot who was never taught basic respect for other's space and personal property. Being an above average computer wizard doesn't change that and those people should be subject to the same criminal sanctions as any other criminal. I suppose the reason that more legal enforcement isn't readily available has to do with the authorities claiming they wouldn't have time to investigate such crimes. Oddly enough, when someone breaks into their police computers, they leave no stone unturned in attempting to track down and prosecute the offenders, presumably for making them look as stupid and lazy as some of them genuinely are.

    While a criminal action might be too much to realistically hope for, I think a class action lawsuit would be appropriate and strongly useful in raising the awareness of criminal idiots that other people's property is exactly that, OTHER PEOPLE'S PROPERTY! I may have bought Microsoft's software because their anti-competitive trade practices created a vacuum in the operating system market that prevented the development of other systems, but I don't recall providing them permission to break into my computer and change material attributes of same without my express consent. If being legally entitled to somehow embedded in the LULA, then perhaps we need to start focusing on the LEGISLATORS who are debasing our universal ethics standards while in the process of pleasing their global corporate benefactors. Worms and weasels tend to proliferate to excess when routine measures aren't in place to prevent their rampant reproduction.

    All of this is just my opinion. I am not an attorney and haven't the legal resources at my ready disposal to prove that Microsoft, it's employees, or it's affiliates have broken the law. As to whether it exhibits manners and behaviors often attributable to people having grown up in a cave, I won't disclaim. They behave like trailer trash (my apologies to those individuals of reasonable integrity who choose to live in trailers). Apparently, an advanced education bestows upon some the entitlement to act like Cretins.

    • Lurker111 says:

      I considered MS's sneak-update attempt on me last night to be nothing less than a cyber attack on my system. Good luck getting anyone to move on that, though.

      What I want to know is if the anti-virus/anti-malware companies will now add this insidious update to their scan tables. And if not, why not?

  72. powerunit says:

    Windows 10 just happened to be the only cure for my Windows 8.1 update problem that essentially left me with a useless computer. I went through hell trying to get Microsoft to fix the problem, but all they did was give me the run around. This was due to fact that Microsoft did not know how to fix their own problem. Do I like W10? certainly not. If I use minimal settings without Cortana I get by. But I feel the same way many of you do, Sold a bill of worthless goods while they laugh.

  73. nworbekim says:

    i have not and will not upgrade just because they're trying to force me to. when these computers are gone, my next purchases will be macs or android. no more microsoft for me.

    • view2share says:

      Avoid buying a Mac which doesn't have SSD. The Mini, with SSD is $900 and would be a fast little machine. The iMac with SSD starts at $1299 -- just avoid any with spinners. I know this, as I have a Mini with that 5400 laptop HD -- rather slow. The OS X is fine, but current versions require more system than the Snow Leopard days.

      For lighter duty, the Chrome OS is a fine choice, as in cheap speed. Like the simplicity of Chrome OS -- less time wasted. My Mac can do more, and is also mostly maintenance free -- Both work well. I am typing this on a Ubuntu PC, which is fine for stability, but not so many apps written for it which are polished.

    • Marc Middendorp says:

      Why not buy it today and stop complaining right now. win win...

  74. The Pool Man says:

    I'm a happy Win10 user. It semi-converted me from Mac. But I think the Gov should be disemboweling MS right now.

    Stage One is to remove any and all Windows updates requests now and forever. Meaning they can send you an email about such updates but that becomes that.

    Stage Two is to give anyone who updated to 10 three years of MS Office free. ANYONE. I personally don't need it. I just want MS to FEEL that for a bit.

  75. timlitw says:

    I guess I don't know why anyone is surprised at microsoft, this is no worse than they have been doing for 20+ years.

  76. Sijmen Koffeman says:

    Windows is an Operating System. Complex one, with many users and applications. On many different type of hardware configurations.

    It should be just Windows on my PC, that (through feedback) updates and evolves and improves over time.

    This situation finally is accomplished and is marketed as 'Wndows 10'. Well, it's Windows. Don't like or need windows? Alternatives are available. Please stop the whining and do something creative and useful with that expensive piece of equipment you own. For example.

    Windows FTW!

    • Celtic_God says:

      Enjoy your Windows 10 spyware where you lose options to control the functions which SHOULD be under user control. Windows 10 is not good at all and is only recommended for users who do not understand much about computers, for the ones who are too lazy to think for themselves and do not care for control, functions and user choice and for gamers who think with their trigger-finger.

      Everyone else thinks twice if installing this piece of garbage.

      • pi may says:

        the trollbot just wants to fill the comments with his braindead drivel lets just ignore the loser.

      • Sijmen Koffeman says:

        Simply untrue. Lose control? Spyware?
        Please educate yourself before believing this kind of bullshit articles and hoax datas on the net.
        It's Windows in it's current state. Faster, more versatile, more stable, etc. From my own experiences. No need to read on the net that it spies and sucks. What a bloated nonsense.
        So 'everyone else' would be better off educating themselves properly before just repeating what some loud mouthers are shouting without any base for their claims.

      • Designer Dragon says:

        Wow you're fucking stupid.

    • Lurker111 says:

      Please, I'm asking this seriously and not in a joking manner: Are you a paid shill for Microsoft?

      • Sijmen Koffeman says:

        Lurker111 ... I'm a person that is using Windows (since 1.0) and have good and increasingly better experience with it.
        I am not paid by any one at the moment.
        I'm not sure what you mean by 'shill'. I just expressed my opinion on an article that does not resonate with me.

      • Captain555 says:

        Here's the definition of a shill:

        1. a person who poses as a customer in order to decoy others into participating, as at a gambling house, auction, confidence game, etc.
        2. a person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reasons of self-interest, personal profit, or friendship or loyalty.

        We have a few on this site that fit the 2nd definition. So everybody here is now getting wary of anybody that come here and try to preach how good W10 is, since most people are getting such a bad experience with it.

        I'm sure there a few people out there that might have a good experience with W10. But when they start putting a little too much mustard on the hot-dog, that's when we know that it can't be true. hence they will be called shill, since we know that MS has to pay people to go around the net and preach their gospel.

      • Mendy West says:

        Just sounds like someone with nothing better to do and full of crap.

      • Sijmen Koffeman says:

        Having read your comment above, I understand you like to self-reflect.

  77. pi may says:

    why don't any one who thinks this is ok google or bing

    windows 10 upgrade sneaky

    filter on the last week.

    then lets hear how this isn't a major debacle.

    as the author states in the headline, no matter what your think of windows 10
    this is a sleazy stupid indefensible moronic move.

    so when you try to make excuses for it, you make a fool of yourself.
    and are the definition of Shill/Fanbio/Loser.

    • Sijmen Koffeman says:

      As the author writes "You should", no matter how you see things, the most is "you could". If you see things like that.

      So if I "could" say something to MS about the marketing around Windows 10, it would be that it might have helped educating people (since Windows Vista) that the version names/numbers are just markers in time and not a rigid end state. (I.e. you have Windows (period) on your system.). The getting a license for free would have been easier to 'sell' to some...

      Maybe that's too complicated for most, and we would see this 'debacle mess' anyway in some form or the other. I guess, whining and complaining seems a favorite thing to do with these marvelous hi tech devices we all use to post here ;)

      Whine on, flame shields up, I'm out,

  78. Sijmen Koffeman says:

    If you don't like windows in it's newer state, you should disconnect from the internet.
    Or make a backup, format your drive and install something else.
    Whining that the OS works the way it works (for 99% of people using it, it works very, very well), does not help me or anyone reading it.
    Software that can 'phone home' because you are connected is a blessing for fast fixing bugs and staying safe. You don't like that, than again: disconnect from the internet.

    • RolandRackham says:

      So, are you saying you like being a sucker? Because your so-called "blessings" have caused me lots of grief over the years. Mot just the Win10 issue either. MS regularly sends out updates that don't work of break some other important feature IOT fix a minor issue.

      • Sijmen Koffeman says:

        Not so in my experience. Nothing being said or shouted (^^) here changed my opinion so far.

  79. Jeff Kreisler says:

    i am still patiently waiting for google to develop a desktop OS outside of the chromebook setup they aleady have. My home PC is till on Windows 8 (no thanks to MANY attempts to push 10 on me). Unfortunately, my laptop was not so lucky. It auto updated at the least convenient time - while i was trying to study for an exam. Shady dealing Microsoft. Windows 10 isn't even that bad, though i do hate how it defaults updates to automatically restart your pc. I lost a whole page of an assignment because of it : /

  80. internetworld7 says:

    Lol, got Mac?

  81. wittgenfrog says:

    Yada,Yada, Yada.
    Cats have 4 legs, therefore all animals with 4 legs are cats......

  82. chris9465 says:

    I was part of the forced that destroyed 10yrs of photo organization! Yep am pissed going on a rant!

    Windows 10 photo app Abomination!
    I uninstalled windows 10 photo app and reinstall the Windows 7 photo viewer. Now am looking to replace Photo viewer. There is nothing MS can do to make me use that photo abomination. 

    Win10 Photo App took the 56,000 plus photos and copied them all, the older photos were duplicated each day in a new dated folder, and my laptop would crash over and over. Then I found the "how to guide" to removing the photo app. When it was uninstalled my photos returned to normal.

    I hate Windows 10 with a passion! it is the most unfriendly OS I've ever used!

    case in point: With Win7, I plug my phone/Digital camera into my Laptop. Click ok on the pop up window and I was done. The photos would all download to a dated folder on my external hard drive. No copies or duplicates ever!

    Win 10 photo app: Every time Id plug it in, it would create A dated folder but also duplicate the photos that were already in the photo app so each dated folder became bigger and bigger.

    Day 1 56,000 plus photos loaded into a dated folder absolutely destroying my organization ALL PHOTOS ONE FOLDER!

    The day 2 folder. Had a 100 or so pics, they get a dated folder plus 2 duplicates/copies of the 56,000 from day one. this folder has 112,000 plus photos

    day 3 folder gets 3 duplicates from the day one folder of 56,000, 2 duplicates from the 100 or so pics on day 2. now this folder has 168,000 photos

    day 4 284,000 plus photos in this folder

    day 5 489,000 plus photos in this folder

    then it started crashing relentlessly
    Yes this still happened with the duplicate feature ON! I tried to find my pictures on my laptops hard drive they were no where to be found. Once they're in the win10 photo App there really isn't anything you can do with with them.

    Try just moving them to an external hard drive it can not be done in Windows 10 photo app.

    when I uninstalled the Windows 10 photo app this problem was solved. all the duplicates vanished but my original organization has been lost, all my photos are a mess. Ive been working on re-organization on and off hour here and there Ill never get back to my original organization.

    Windows 10 is horrible!

    RANT OVER!

    • Captain555 says:

      You're not the only one with story like that. The MS shill here will try to blame for making a mistake. Don't let them get to you. Smart people know that W10 is piece of crap. And I'm NOT a MS hater.

    • Designer Dragon says:

      Windows 10 upgrades leave files intact. If your files got fucked up its because you fucked up.

    • Mendy West says:

      It is unfriendly. Read my comments above just posted today, 6/2/16. I can't get on Chrome. My wireless printer wouldn't recognize the mess they left on my computer. I'm red hot!!! Please keep checking back, as I am going to collect everything I can.

    • Mendy West says:

      It's my understanding that it will not work at a certain time anymore. Have you heard that?

    • Mike Lukic says:

      And you didn't back up such "valuable" resources ???

  83. eesa says:

    I just want to add a warning for all Windows 10 users; if one of your Windows 10 system files gets corrupted for any reason, which includes a Windows update! and that interferes with the bootup, your laptop are doomed! none of the several options for repairing Windows 10 works! including restore, reset, recovery or even trying to go back to your previous version of Windows; I tried them all for 10 days to no avail!

    Imagine this is happening to a Windows power user since Windows 3.1 to Windows !0 and every Windows that came out in between! I have always been able to fix my pc software problems on my own for all these years! and now Microsoft has made this not possible even for someone like me!

    Always back your files on very reliable external storage everyday or multiple time a day if you have saved significant work on the internal hard drive. This is now a must if you keep Windows 10 or you risk not having access to your files or even lose them all!

    Google for this boot up problems of Windows and you will be shocked how many got into this trouble and how little that can be done as all repair options do not solve it or work. As for Microsoft they seem to assume that those who got into this trouble are either dumb or they are nothing to worry about as they can be always blamed for their misuse, ignorance or whatever!

  84. Lazarus98 says:

    I'm certain, there is a good case to be made for a class action lawsuit with the forced upgrades.

    • Designer Dragon says:

      Well you'd be wrong, but it wouldn't be a day if some retarded kid online wasnt threatening some kind of stupid class action lawsuit against Microsoft.

    • Mendy West says:

      You've got it Lazarus. However, I think the extent of damages is yet to be assessed. We need to collect and share our experiences and see if it is in order. No one said anything to me except "I'm sorry". I had a assistance contract so I didn't have to pay the $125 to get it going, but I'm very curious if others are going to be required to buy one. Please let me know.

    • Lurker111 says:

      I would add commentary, but there's nothing I could add to fully describe the total disgust I have for this corporation. If usenet were still around, I'm sure there'd be an alt.microsoft.die.die.die newsgroup by now.

  85. Designer Dragon says:

    Don't tell me what I'm supposed to feel you stupid fuck.

  86. Mendy West says:

    I didn't have a choice. I was working on an exhibit for attorneys for trial when it threw me out and just started loading Windows 10. I have lost over a $1,000 because of working on everything. I feel for those who don't have a contract. I'm sure that helps them too. If you have to get assistance you have to buy a contract. I'm not sure about Windows 10 if they are going to make an exception. I'm going to spend my reading/resting time to see how in depth the damages are as far as privacy violations and the rest. I know I can't get on Google Chrome because they say I need an app for that. When I try to use the update from Chrome, then 10 blocks the download. Very cruel. AND if they are charging everyone a contract to assist, then they have found a real nice easy way to collect millions if not billions.

  87. Designer Dragon says:

    Still telling other people what to think you ugly fuck?

  88. John Crane says:

    I finally decided to stop fighting city hall and proceed with a Windows 10 update. I tried for months and kept getting an error message from Microsoft that was unintelligible to me. I searched all over the Internet for months. I finally found the answer from a non-Microsoft source. After that, the upgrade took about 40 minutes. What I really don't appreciate is Microsoft keeping some of my configuration settings, but trashing others.

    Some people worry about their hardware, some worry about their software, some worry about their data. I know how to take care of all that. What keeps me up at night is CONFIGURATION. Hard to back up or save, but easy for Microsoft to stomp over.

    I lost my default browser, my default association for my audio and video files, My media server quit working, and my network shares were changed to the point where I still can't connect from other machines.

    One thing I don't understand is that on my other desktop, which handled the automatic upgrade quite smoothly, Windows 10 preserved all my login credentials, but on this forces upgrade, it switched me over to my Microsoft account.

    Most of these changes I can live with. Some I'm still trying to figure out. But it is annoying to spend years setting up a configuration in Windows 7 that works for me, and have it partially (and unpredictably) wiped out in a span of 40 minutes.

    I have a 3rd party start menu, third party media players and servers, third party desktop search, third party photo viewer, third party file explorer (all of which I found out about here on Betanews). I'm about as insulated from the Windows 10 shell as I can be, but all in all I like Windows 10.

    • Captain555 says:

      You should have stayed with W7, all you are gaining are headaches.

    • John Crane says:

      Update: I tried using external drives today, for the first time since upgrading. Windows 10 can't recognize any of them: Lexar, Seagate, SanDisk, WD, unless you repeatedly disable and re-enable the drivers 2, 3, or 4 tunes. This is insane

  89. Stan57 says:

    this isnt the only scummy thing and BTW its not the worst MS is doing. But you media seem to ignore it. IE security update

    KB 3139929.

    Includes Windows 10 ADWARE. you cannot download the SECURITY UPDATE unless you agree to install the ADWARE.
    they are blackmails IE users their is no other way to term it and its malware tactics that the media is just turning a blind eye too why is that?

  90. Marc Middendorp says:

    If you don't like windows, switch to another OS or else stop complaining...

    • Stan57 says:

      oh we love windows..we hate Microsoft corporate scumbags for using malware tricks and forced adware installs. I love windows 7 its the best OS Microsoft "coders and enginneers have made.

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